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registry CHARGING YOU to show at Dressage AT Devon?!?!?*vent*

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  • registry CHARGING YOU to show at Dressage AT Devon?!?!?*vent*

    OK so check this out..
    I just got my daughter a great TB mare- super cute.. so was looking into what registry to do her with for usdf in hand classes..
    the IBC class at DAD is sponsored by north american thoroughbred society. so, i contact them, cause i would like to maybe go that route cause in order to show in that class you MUST be a member..
    so i see their site & they CHARGE YOU for ANY show you go to in dshb. but devon is not listed..
    figuring this is wrong, i call the lady (Anita)..
    YES! I am shockingly correct.. if you want to show at Devon you MUST PAY a 95.00 fee through their society to enter!! OMG!! They are CHARGING YOU to show at Devon!!!
    ALSO turns out you also have to PAY 95.00 to be eligible for USDF awards as well!
    and you must PAY to enter the KDA shows, etc...

    Her reason was she has to pay for the awards, so members must pay..

    OK, so I also saw membership fee was 25.00... *WRONG* thats only if you do not own or have a horse!!!!

    If you have a horse you need to pay the competitors fee which is more.

    So, in a nutshell, if you own a TB & want to show DSHB in hand and be eligible for usdf all breeds awards, and to show in the 1 class at Devon, you are paying well over 500 a year just to show IN HAND.
    I am sorry, but i think this is WRONG & extremely expensive.
    I wonder if Devon management is aware this registry is charging their members a SHOW AT DEVON fee!!

    now the issue.. NO thoroughbreds *AT ALL* can show at dressage at devon unless they are a member & pay these fees to this registry...
    thats really a shame..
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    Da*^!!

    wow! that is insane!!! Freaking DAD is expensive enough all by itself

    If she was approved for breeding with RPSI or GOV or something could you enter her with them instead of IBC?
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      I am just shocked & bummed! A nice TB should be able to enter the TB class without not only having to pay a membership fee i am not pissing about that, or even an awards fee,thats ok
      but to be charged PER SHOW for what you are going to do*PLUS* an awards fee, PLUS a usdf fee, its just insane,...
      now i know why the TB class is so light every year.. those people are paying through the nose on top of their devon fees..
      it should nto be allowed
      Here's a photo of Jesse's new Mare, very green, so in hand is a great way to get ring time for the 2 of them.
      http://www.irishhillsfarm.com/molly2.jpg
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      • #4
        Doesn't Devon charge $500 to hold an IBC? I can see a registry without a lot of funds available wanting to recoup their expenses for sponsoring this class, esp. considering that showing at Devon is really only an option for a very few folks on that end of the country.

        And, actually, I can also understand a registry thinking it makes sense to charge an extra fee for awards to the folks that are actually going to compete for those awards - again, esp. if the registry doesn't have a lot of funds available. I would also imagine that most of the horses in the North American Thoroughbred Society show as hunters or eventers, with probably not a lot of DSHB horses, so maybe the registry feels that its funds are better spent on the other disciplines.

        I know it is disappointing to you and your daughter, but I do sort of understand the registry's viewpoint.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
          I would also imagine that most of the horses in the North American Thoroughbred Society show as hunters or eventers, with probably not a lot of DSHB horses, so maybe the registry feels that its funds are better spent on the other disciplines.
          Look at the year end ranking page. Not a single Hunter or Jumper for 2007 or 2008.

          I thought about joining this group some years ago. But when I inquired about recording an OTTB they refused as I didn't have his JC papers and he doesn't have a tat. Got to the track but didn't race. Way too slow. Has a blood sample on file and could be ID'd that way. Eventually I got a photocopy of his papers but by that time I was so past dealing with this group that I didn't bother trying to get him recorded.
          Too bad as he was a nice horse, PHR Zone Ch, well placed in USEF zones.

          I have two showing horses with JC papers at present. One showed last year and did well. The other is a young horse. Will I record either one with this group? Nope !!

          I wonder how many horses are recorded with this group?

          Do any other breed registries charge for showing at Devon???
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          • #6
            Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
            Doesn't Devon charge $500 to hold an IBC? I can see a registry without a lot of funds available wanting to recoup their expenses for sponsoring this class, esp. considering that showing at Devon is really only an option for a very few folks on that end of the country.
            Well, not really. DAD is a HUGE show and many competitors come from outside the PA/NJ/MD/VA region. I have seen lots of midwesterners, northerners, southerners as well as westerners (TX, CA, etc).
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            • #7
              A few years ago at the USDF dinner, the awards from this group were very, very nice. Rosettes with 24" streamers and gorgeous coolers and possibly silver plate. Things like that are expensive, but I agree, you shouldn't have to pay a registry to show in an IBC.

              Go to PHR, much nicer.
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              • #8
                There is interesting discussion centered around some of the policies of this registry in this thread http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...ighlight=video It's mixed in with the original topic, but starts with the posts by a poster named sm and then posts #17 and on, and intertwines with the original topic through the rest of the thread.

                Do you have any other options, like PHR, or AWS via nomination (I believe that's the designation they give to 100% hotbloods.)

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                • #9
                  I believe it is against USEF rules to force this in open classes, because they do not require registration at all to participate.. I think it is only if they hold an IBC....
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                  • #10
                    Just show in the Open classes!
                    I didn't join that group because they wanted me to jump through hoops to register a Jockey Club TB! I had her papers and she is DNAd! How could their process be better than The Jockey Club's? They should have taken a copy of her papers alone. It is the rest of the unpapered TBs who need good ID! Ridiculous.
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                    • #11
                      JM, I found the same thing out last year when I was looking for places to show a nice young TB. I thought it was a crazy policy too. Sure you can show the open classes, but I'd think they'd want to promote the breed by making it attractive for owners to enter IBCs too?
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                      • #12
                        registry charging to show at Dressage at Devon

                        I have been the DAD Breed Show Chair and the contact person for the Individual Breed Classes since 1995. I have been aware over the years of some registries charging a fee to their members to compete in the sponsored class. If a registry wishes to recoup the $500.00 fee they pay to DAD by charging their members that's between the registry and the members. DAD does not get involved.
                        Anyone can sponsor an IBC class. Individuals and groups other than registries do it all the time. If you'd like more information, please PM me.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
                          Doesn't Devon charge $500 to hold an IBC? I can see a registry without a lot of funds available wanting to recoup their expenses for sponsoring this class, esp. considering that showing at Devon is really only an option for a very few folks on that end of the country.
                          Bingo!

                          Jesse's mom, I spoke at length with you on exactly this point. Yet you rant here as if it was never mentioned...

                          I also mentioned most registries have profit built in from their breeding programs to offset their costs and this sponsoring org does not.

                          Clearly, PHR is a great option for you. We did discuss that and I still feel it's a great option for you. So, you have at least TWO options to present your horse(s) at Devon.

                          Touchstone, we accept all paperwork recognized by the Jockey Club. If the Jockey Club recognizes your horse then so does North American Thoroughbred Society -- the membership application is very clear. The JC however does not recognized AI, so presenting DNA as proof of breed will not work. It's preaching to the choir here: most already know the JC does not recognize every registry, we match exactly what the JC recognizes.

                          AS A SEPARATE ISSUE we are looking for sponsorship to offset costs. If you're dedicated to promoting the TBs in this way then feel free to PM me and help us seek sponsorship so we can make it easier on the competitors. If you want to rant instead, which I suspect is the OPs case, then carry on.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sm View Post
                            Bingo!

                            Touchstone, we accept all paperwork recognized by the Jockey Club. If the Jockey Club recognizes your horse then so does North American Thoroughbred Society -- the membership application is very clear. The JC however does not recognized AI, so presenting DNA as proof of breed will not work. It's preaching to the choir here: most already know the JC does not recognize every registry, we match exactly what the JC recognizes.

                            AS A SEPARATE ISSUE we are looking for sponsorship to offset costs. If you're dedicated to promoting the TBs in this way then feel free to PM me and help us seek sponsorship so we can make it easier on the competitors. If you want to rant instead, which I suspect is the OPs case, then carry on.
                            And that's why I'm frustrated with your registry. Some folks think there is a need for a registry for TB's bred for sport and that includes the use of AI. I was hoping that was what your group was doing. Many registries recognize DNA as proof of parentage so it's not exactly a brand new concept. But because of your policies most folks are going to go to PHR.

                            How many horses do you have recorded?
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                            • #15
                              Originally Posted by DownYonder
                              Doesn't Devon charge $500 to hold an IBC? I can see a registry without a lot of funds available wanting to recoup their expenses for sponsoring this class, esp. considering that showing at Devon is really only an option for a very few folks on that end of the country.
                              ____________________

                              This is the situation with the Nokota Breed Regisry. They do not have a lot of funds available to recoup expenses so we Nokota owners that want to show in the Nokota IBC class contribute to the cost of the class sponsorship. We see nothing wrong with this and are happy to help out to support the breed, but we are a meagre few.

                              As far as Pinetreefarm's last post that is a different issue then what the OP presented and (added to clarify my meaning...) I do not have that situation with my registry so I can't comment.
                              Last edited by JMurray; Jan. 16, 2009, 03:16 PM. Reason: because mis-interpreted
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by JMurray View Post
                                Originally Posted by DownYonder

                                As far as Pinetreefarm's last post that is a different issue then what the OP presented.
                                Are you the thread police?

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                                • #17
                                  Nope...not...

                                  you misunderstood

                                  added additional clarification to that sentence in that post
                                  Last edited by JMurray; Jan. 16, 2009, 03:18 PM.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by PineTreeFarm View Post
                                    And that's why I'm frustrated with your registry. Some folks think there is a need for a registry for TB's bred for sport and that includes the use of AI. I was hoping that was what your group was doing. Many registries recognize DNA as proof of parentage so it's not exactly a brand new concept. But because of your policies most folks are going to go to PHR.

                                    How many horses do you have recorded?
                                    I am not being trite when I write that I sympathize. There is a loss of acknowledgement of bloodlines when a TB needs to register as something else. And they often do!!! However, to reward the american breeder, our horses all need to be recognized by the international stud book committee. I don't know PHRs policy but the JC is very clear on what a TB is and what it isn't: "A Thoroughbred is a horse that has satisfied the rules and requirements set forth herein and is registered in The American Stud Book or in a Foreign Stud Book approved by The Jockey Club and the International Stud Book Committee." http://www.jockeyclub.com/registry.asp?section=3

                                    PHR assigns their own number with a JC-papered horse, I keep the JCs foal registration number (and/or tattoo number) as the ID. Believe me when I tell you, "my horses" are recognized internationally.

                                    Number of horses: USDF All Breeds registries' horses are here so you can compare to a certian extent, these registries are listed and click to each one to see participants http://www.usdf.org/awards/all-breeds/organizations.asp
                                    Last edited by sm; Jan. 16, 2009, 04:17 PM.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by JMurray View Post
                                      This is the situation with the Nokota Breed Regisry. They do not have a lot of funds available to recoup expenses so we Nokota owners that want to show in the Nokota IBC class contribute to the cost of the class sponsorship. We see nothing wrong with this and are happy to help out to support the breed, but we are a meagre few.
                                      I've been watching you guys and your registry, great work. Wishing you much continued success, it's really nice to see your horses!

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                                      • #20
                                        So, SM, if I understand this correctly (and very well may not, so please feel free to clarify), you have 102 tbs registered through your group associated with competing with USDF? If Devon charges you $500 per division at DaD, why not charge each of those USDF-competing members $10 (would yield $1020) and run a young horses and mature horses category? That'd be a step in the right direction. Presumably, there's even more members to disperse the cost through and then you may be able to simultaneously achieve more people willing and able to compete in NATBS divisions at DaD (and it'll continue to grow!).
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