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  • question about Ferro and his offspring

    This will throw all my breeding plans into a spin...at least I hope not... I was told today by a woman who owns a Ferro daughter that, bluntly, they are pretty stupid...as in Ferro himself took nearly half a year to learn new movements and she said most offspring she came across are the same way..

    Now, I know his offspring, Rousseau particularly, is known for having a great temperament that he passes on....I never heard anything negative about trainability...

    So.. since I was planning to breed to a Ferro grandson this year.. I was wondering if anyone else heard this or had experience with Ferro offspring? Is it all that bad? My mare is pretty smart (for getting out of work) so my main interest had been temperament.. now Im worried..
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    Wow! I have never heard this about Ferro's being stupid. I have bred three offspring by Ferro and one grandchild (by Metall) and my experience is quite the reverse - very intelligent and very athletic, not always making them suitable for the average amateur rider. The eldest was an opportunist, so not necessarily a suitable ride for the average amateur. He had the rider pegged before a foot was set in the stirrup. If you earned his respect already from the ground, no problem. He was not mean or dirty - just super smart and a bit of an opportunist. I think he figured whoever asserted authority deserved to be in charge. My trainer loved this guy and she also commented on his high intelligence. The second sibling, a coming five year-old mare, now in training, is a big luv. She aims to please and is so very willling. All my Ferro's are extremely bold. Stupid???? No way!!!

    I heard Ferro had some issues through his process of training to GP, but I can't comment first-hand. He started out as a jumper and that may have had something to do with it.

    If this person has run into stupid offspring by Ferro, maybe look to the damline and see what is there.
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    • #3
      The one I know is smart, but soooo sensitive he gets himself into a knot and misplaces his brain. Not a ride for the faint of heart!

      That being said, I've heard that the Ferro sons can pass along the abilities, but without the sensitivity/flakiness.
      "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."

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      • #4
        I had a Ferro gelding here until this Fall. He was such a cool horse and was a Grand Prix jumper. We really miss him. I wonder if the person with the "stupid" Ferro is just being outwitted, only because there was absolutely nothing dumb about the one I had here.
        As is our confidence, so is our capacity. ~W. Hazlitt

        Gift Hill Farm

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          #5
          phew- that makes me feel better...I really like the stallion. My mare is smart, but also unforgiving and can also be bold. Interesting several of you had jumpers..thats a plus since this mare is built to jump but can move like the best of them.. OK, I can relax!!!! This should be an awesome baby. Thanks all!
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          • #6
            The Ferro's I've seen were very hot. Super movers and good conformation but HOT.
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            • #7
              My Ferro filly is uber intelligent! Very Very bold and super friendly. Trainer loves her and can't believe how quickly she picks things up. I wouldn't say she is hot, just intelligent, she certainly doesn't suffer fools gladly

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              • #8
                I think Ferro was a very strong sire of powerful hind legs, good front ends with typically good necks, and the more than occasional short front leg. In my experience he sired horses with a great willingness to work but they had to clearly understand what you were asking from them. Not hot but definitely with a gas pedal!
                Siegi Belz
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                2007 KWPN-NA Breeder of the Year
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by siegi b. View Post
                  In my experience he sired horses with a great willingness to work but they had to clearly understand what you were asking from them. Not hot but definitely with a gas pedal!
                  Coudn't agree with you more on that one Seigi.
                  Martha Haley - NeverSayNever Farm
                  2009 KWN-NA Breeder of the Year/Silver Level Breeder
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                    #10
                    thank you all so much! Im thinking of using the new Celle stallion Furst Rousseau on my TB mare. She has been a dream of a producer for me, delivering foals that have been carbon copies of their sires. But...has the same type of temperament.. she has to be ridden in a way that she approves or she can be a bit of butt head. I guess all horses are like that in some way.. and its one reason I do love mares.. I dont mind the forward sensitive ones.. just not the stupid or bad tempered ones...so I think from everyones feedback it should be a strong personality but a good loyal one person horse.
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                    • #11
                      My Rousseau filly is coming three so I can't yet speak for her work ethic, but she is NOT hot or dumb at all. She is also not reactive. She is out of a Rubenstein mare, so that may have something to do with her temperament, but, in general, she learns quickly and is very willing so long as she feel like you are being fair. She is also the most out going and friendly mare I have ever met. While I would say she has somewhat high self esteem I've never seen her get too adamant about it without cause (I don't think she would appreciate a benevolent dictator type much at all). Honestly though, she is brave, super good-natured, willing, and, in my eyes at least, stunning too! I loooove her (obviously).

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                        Originally posted by wehrlegirl View Post
                        This will throw all my breeding plans into a spin...at least I hope not... I was told today by a woman who owns a Ferro daughter that, bluntly, they are pretty stupid...as in Ferro himself took nearly half a year to learn new movements and she said most offspring she came across are the same way..

                        Now, I know his offspring, Rousseau particularly, is known for having a great temperament that he passes on....I never heard anything negative about trainability...

                        So.. since I was planning to breed to a Ferro grandson this year.. I was wondering if anyone else heard this or had experience with Ferro offspring? Is it all that bad? My mare is pretty smart (for getting out of work) so my main interest had been temperament.. now Im worried..
                        Rousseau is part Roemer ... and that says a lot.

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