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    OK, I've bred palominos and cremellos for years now. I know all about sabino gene, overo, splash, frame, tovero and tobianos as well. I' have never had a palomino foal with two very blue eyes before! NEVER! I have had one dutch colt out of known lines for sabino have one blue eye..but his blaze did not go over the eye that was blue...the wb stallion did have a blue eye..so was not a surprise to me to get a blue eye. But how do you get two blue eyes that the blaze does not go over the eyes? Breeding resulted from chestnut to cremello..and the blue eye is not aqua blue like a cremello and there is ZERO possibility of a cremello with the comb of colors from dam and sire. ALL of the palominos I've bred since 1990 have NOT had blue eyes..so what is up with two blue eyes? I've seen the greyish looking eyes and they turn brown over time as the foal grows but these are very BLUE. In person the eyes look much bluer than in the photos..it was very hard trying to get one up close and my camera seems to make stuff more "pinkish in color for some reason." TIA
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    Those look like cream baby blues to me. Ones that will fade to brown or amber over time. True blues are very very easy to get on camera, and I have never seen a true blue come out looking like that on a photo.

    Now for a blue eye to happen white doesnt need to go over the eye at all. I can show you literal not a single white hair on them horses with blue eyes.
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    • #3
      Champagne Dilution gene?

      There was an article in the paint horse journal in October about this gene.

      There are 4 colors in the champagne spectrum: amber, gold, classic and sable.

      "The gold champage horse is produced when the champagne gene acts on a chestnut or sorrel base coat. The body color is golden, and the mane and tail may be flaxen or gold-toned. These horses are usually mistaken for palominos."

      All champagne horses have pinkish skin - "It's been described as pumpkin - or salmon colored. Easiest to identify around the eys, muzzle or external genitalia and udder." - Looking at her eye pic above the skin is pumpkin colored and eyes greener around edges. My filly is a buckskin tobiano with 2 ice blue eyes.

      Champagne foals are born wtih icy blue eys that turn hazel green around the edges and then amber as the foals age.

      Hair starts out darker and lightens as they age.

      Just a thought.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by FLIPPED HER HALO View Post
        There was an article in the paint horse journal in October about this gene.

        There are 4 colors in the champagne spectrum: amber, gold, classic and sable.

        "The gold champage hre is produced when the champagne gene acts on a chestnut or sorrel base coat. The body color is golden, and the mane and tail may be flaxen or gold-toned. These horses are usually mistaken for palominos."

        All champagne horses have pinkish skin - "It's been described as pumpkin - or salmon colored. Easiest to identify around the eys, muzzle or external genitalia and udder."

        Champagne foals are born wtih icy blue eys that turn hazel green around the edges and then amber as the foals age.

        Hair starts out darker and lightens as they age.

        Just a thought.
        Great thought and would partly fit, but it hasnt been found in TBs to date, as much as I would love it to be lmao.
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          #5
          Thank you..so you think they will darken up...all the other ones have, but I've never seen one this color before..not even close.

          Also, should have said the pink skin will turn dark with in a few days around the eyes...I'm pretty sure of that.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Blonde Filly View Post
            Thank you..so you think they will darken up...all the other ones have, but I've never seen one this color before..not even close.

            Also, should have said the pink skin will turn dark with in a few days around the eyes...I'm pretty sure of that.
            I've had eyes like that on both palomino and chestnut foals (by my palomino stallion). Sometimes they are very, very blue-ish, but not at all the same as foals with real blue eyes, of which I've had two -- a cremello, and a chestnut, with a nice big blaze that most certainly did not touch either eye! And both eyes were blue! Completely unexpected, but ended up being very striking on that particular colt.
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            • #7
              They do indeed look like "baby blue" eyes which will darken.

              As RMT said, Splash does not have to make white touch the eye(s) to turn it blue. In fact, there doesn't have to be a bit of white ON the horse to have the eyes blue from Splash:
              http://www.morgancolors.com/gsvrembrandteye.jpg
              and the body to go with the above eye/head
              http://www.morgancolors.com/gsvrembrandtbody.jpg

              See how it's a different blue from what you are seeing currently?
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              • #8
                This looks like the type of blue that foals carrying the cream gene have at birth. Take a look at my 2006 palomino leopard colt. His eyes looked just like what you posted. This photo was taken around 5 days and the skin around the eye was already starting to darken up but you can see his eyes are still bluish. It took about a month, perhaps a little more, before his eyes were brownish. And they are brown eyes now. http://www.altamontsporthorses.com/i...gnhu&title=Two Steppin' Outlaw

                This leopard colt does have some face white (hard to see of course because he is a leopard) and you can see he has a rather substantial snip. He does not have a blaze or anything large near his eyes. His sire does carry some sort of sabino or perhaps splash gene(s) but it is hard to say what since he is a homozygous appaloosa that is all white (few spot leopard). We can tell he has a rather large blaze since there is an absence of mottling on his face in this area and one of his eyes is partially blue.

                Your foal's eyes will darken up. They are not a "true blue."
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                • #9
                  Two years ago I had a foal which could have been palomino or cremello. The eyes look just like that and I was curious why they were that coloud. I had not seen ones like that on a cremello or palomino of mine before. I DNA tested him and he was a palomino. By the time he was a month old the eye were a bit lighter shade of brown than all the rest of my palominos. So from my experience I have come to the conclusion that a dark blue (almost grayish) eye like that at birth means a not so dark brown eye later in life.

                  The sire to my colt is Sato and he has an light brown/amber eyes. So I would guess his eyes were this different shade at birth too.
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                  • #10
                    Personally, a blue eye creeps me out. It is very interesting however as to why is does occur....
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                    • #11
                      Guess you will never own a cremello or perlino. No eye colour creeps me out. I love the blue eyes; they are beautiful. And I love the light brown/amber eyes. I find them intriguing. And a clear dark eye is gorgeous.

                      The different colours and shades of eyes are as appealing to me as the different colours and shades in coat colours.
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                      • #12
                        I love blue eyes. Alot of my horses have them and my dogs.







                        I have to agree that I think those eyes will change.

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                        • #13
                          Nice blue eyes Paintedangelranch! Those photos remind me of my younger days and riding my old QH palomino who has two blue eyes. Oh and he had a long mane too... Here is a trip down memory land for me... enjoy http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/Blaze.html Welcome to the board!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SilverBalls View Post
                            Personally, a blue eye creeps me out. It is very interesting however as to why is does occur....
                            They creep me out too, but we did take on a rescue weanling in November with them (paint).
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                            • #15
                              My yearling filly's eyes were this color when she was born, but I referred to the color as "hazel" instead of blue. She is chestnut with sabino characteristics, going grey, and has no white overlapping her orbital rim. Her eyes have darkened to a "normal" brown now.
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by SilverBalls View Post
                                Personally, a blue eye creeps me out. It is very interesting however as to why is does occur....
                                Bill you crack me up!!! I have to agree on the aqua blue colored eyes are not my favorite..but the dark colored blue eyes I LOVE! This new fillies eyes are a very pretty color blue and if they turned the color that is right next to her iris...I would LOVE that color of blue. The aqua not so much!
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Faiths CremelloWB View Post
                                  Nice blue eyes Paintedangelranch! Those photos remind me of my younger days and riding my old QH palomino who has two blue eyes. Oh and he had a long mane too... Here is a trip down memory land for me... enjoy http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/Blaze.html Welcome to the board!

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                                  • #18
                                    Sometimes the greenish eyes of a cream carrier foal fade to a "normal" looking dark brown, sometimes the eyes stay an unusual shade throughout their entire life. I've seen many cream carriers that end up with amber colored eyes.

                                    My Paint mare has the strangest eye color I've ever seen. They remind me of tiger-eye stone.

                                    She has the silver dapple gene at play in addition to cream. If you look closely you can see some silvery blue flecks within the eye too.

                                    I know she's had foals that exhibited an eye color almost identical to the little guy in the OP.

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                                    • #19
                                      My silly pinto filly has one blue eye. Her eyes were dark on day one. By day 2 one of them had a definite blue tint. Then it turned a bright blue.
                                      Not exactly what I was hoping for but I will not go as far as 'creeps me out'. We will find out if the hunter breeding judges are creeped out when she makes her line debut next month.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by genevieveg17 View Post
                                        My silly pinto filly has one blue eye. Her eyes were dark on day one. By day 2 one of them had a definite blue tint. Then it turned a bright blue.
                                        Not exactly what I was hoping for but I will not go as far as 'creeps me out'. We will find out if the hunter breeding judges are creeped out when she makes her line debut next month.
                                        Wow, that's really interesting! Is she the Radikal filly? Lovely medicine hat pattern.

                                        I really like Radikal. I'm considering him for one of my mares now that I've finally had her tested for frame.
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