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  • Tips & Tricks for showing in DSHB classes

    I'm planning to show my coming two year old Hanoverian filly in DSHB classes next year. I know the basics - show on the triangle, she'll need to be in a bridle, etc.

    This will be my first time showing in sport horse breeding classes, and I'd love to hear your tips & tricks on both prepping and showing.

    In addition, I have two specific questions:

    1. Do you ever take a "buddy" to trailer with your youngster and just hang out for the day? I have two veteran geldings who would be happy to do babysitting duty.

    2. The sport horse series (Region 8) has several two day shows that are running as separate shows (two scores). Has anyone done back to back shows with a youngster?

    By the way, my filly is completely CoTH bred I bought her from Edgar, and she's out of honeylips' mare (Wild Dance x Donna Novella).

    I also want to give a shout out to Majestic Gaits (Kathy Hickerson) for pulling the series together. I'm really looking forward to participating next year!

  • #2
    Here's some I've learned:
    1. If you are new at this, hire a handler that can show your horse at it's best. It's not as easy as it looks.
    2. instill "forward" on your gal so you don't have to drag her. I do this by using a halter first, then practicing with my runner (I don't run ) while having the whip handler in the rear. Gotta be careful not to push TOO hard from the rear, as you want those big trots steps, NOT a canter.

    3. Don't blow your fancy trot on the going away or coming towards the judge legs of the triangle. Sometimes going too fast can make them "wobble" and the judge is looking for straightness for those 2 legs. The time to "blow their doors off" w/the fancy, floaty trot is the long side of the triangle. The rest of the time a steady cadence that produces STRAIGHT, CORRECT movement is better.

    4. Do a braid "run through" before the show. I know it's rare, but my best filly actually had such a melt-down over her BRAIDS at her first show, she was a total pig. THe night before when the handler practiced with her, she was great; actually handling the show atmosphere with great aplomb. The next morning, when her braids had been in for about 30 mins, she started to fuss. It got worse & worse, till by the time we hit the ring she was pawing at the ground, at her braids, fussing, trying to roll , wouldn't stand still. She was in 4 classes and it got worse & worse each time. In between each class she would try to throw herself again the stall wall in frustration!! Finally took the braids out (they are not required) and she did her last class with a little Sport Horse "Fro". However by that time she'd worn herself out with her histrionics and didn't show what she had. Talking to others, 1-2 other people have had this experience...just saying.

    5. Yeah, we have a similar 2 shows that run back to back; I would not make this your filly's first outing, but I've seen horses do it so they can get qualifying scores for regionals.

    6. Re: the buddy. Sometimes it works great...but sometimes it backfires. Because ultimately the horse will have to go in the ring alone, so they will have to leave their "babysitter" at some point. Personally, I prefer they learn right from the start that a human is their 'babysitter" and they have to learn how to get confidence from us. INstead, maybe haul her to several schooling shows or Pony Club events w/babysitter at first to instill her confidence?

    Just don't make "the big show" her 1st or 2nd outing.

    I'm sure others will chime in...good luck!

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    • #3
      1. I 100% agree, hire a handler. One with a good reputation, if they offer it, pay for a schooling session before you head for the ring. I know for a fact that the handler made all the difference in my show experience. I could never present her as well as a handler can or run without falling on my face.

      2. If you plan on trailering in to a show for the day, get a day stall, its expensive but no baby wants to stand all day in the sun or rain and they will get cranky and stressed.

      3. I wouldn't bring a babysitter unless the horse has a real problem trailering. If you can, take the horse on several local trips to get them used to being off property.

      4. I agree with the braiding, as a braider it is pretty common for a horse to really not appreciate braids, or the braiding process. If you can, braid at home. There is enough stress at a show that adding standing for braiding especially if you are slow. On that note, I have had numerous clients not clip bridle paths or cray ear fuzz, or fetlocks then expect me to do it at the show for them. I think it is massively unfair to both the babies and me. bring the horse ready to show and reduce the stress as much as possible while there.

      5. If you can combine shows in a weekend you should, its usually cheaper for points since you only have to haul once, stabling is usually cheaper if you do multiple days, the handler gets used to the horse, its less stressful for the horse since they can get used to the area. The downside is that the horse can get tired, may not tolerate a strange place, etc.

      6. Show prep, make sure the horse moves off well when you do at walk and trot (no dragging, get help from someone with a lunge whip if needed, carry a dressage whip, all you need is the first 5-6 steps), don't over school the horse, you want things to be fresh, always practice turning away from you, teach the horse to stand still and learn to take one step forward or back so they can be adjusted. Good condition is a must in a 2yo, hand walk the horse briskly 4-5 days a week if you can for up to 30 minutes. really make them stride out and move, it will improve your walk score.

      Good luck and have fun!

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      • #4
        Based on my last time showing that class I would say: "Don't break your foot." *sigh* I would absolutely hire a handler if one is available. Or at least video tape yourself and see what it looks like. I remember my first time out, when my mare was a yearling, thinking I was going super fast until I saw a video--think western pleasure jog. If there had been a handler available I would have hired him/her in a second.

        Agree--try braids ahead!

        Otherwise, my advice would be (once you have it down at home) to take the kiddo different places and practice standing calmly and trotting in hand with commotion around.

        Re babysitter: unless they are in the ring it is a problem--imo, don't do it. Then you have a screaming baby who is leaving behind it's only comfort. I showed my yearling with a stable mate who had a mare showing in the two year old class and the only class my horse did well in was the group class (when her buddy was in the class). We were lucky we qualified from the yearling round to get into it. At the last show we were at, when she went on to show against the stallion for best overall young horse, and her best friend left the ring, it was a DISASTER (much worse than yearling leaving buddy). She was very, *very* naughty in her attempt to leave with BF. I was lamenting in my head, "I paid money to deal with this why?"

        Now maybe if they are ok leaving them at the stables it might work. IDK. In and out of line-of-sight sure didn't work for me. Ironically, when we practiced at new barns before showing, my yearling was the calm one and the two year old had meltdowns.
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        • #5
          Start now by taking every opportunity to accustom your filly to turning away from you to the right as you're leading her. It will make her "triangle training" that much easier. Lucky you to be in Region 8! You'll have many shows to choose from in 2015. I second the kudos to Kathy Hickerson for all of her hard work on behalf of sporthorse owners and breeders. Best of luck and most of all have fun with your baby.

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          • #6
            There's a good DVD - "Showing Your Sporthorse In Hand" that's worthwhile even if you hire a professional to show her.
            http://www.dressageextensions.com/Pr...l.asp?KEY=4184

            Also consider taking her to shows (any show) just for the day to walk around and spend some time. This will get her used to going in and out of the trailer, and seeing the sights. You both will be nervous on show day, so a few rehearsals a month or two in advance will benefit both of you.

            Have fun and good luck !

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            • #7
              I agree with all that's been said and highly recommend Bobby Murray as a handler in Region 8.

              You should be dressed appropriately to go into the ring yourself, even when hiring a handler. You may need to hold your horse, walk him for all or part of a championship class, or act as whip handler.

              IME, having a horse that's comfortable and relaxed at the show counts for much more than a clean horse. Do what you can, but don't get frantic about "clean".

              Try your best to qualify for the Fall Festival in Saugerties. It's a fun show and, in addition to the smaller qualifying breed shows, great exposure for the young ones.

              If you do get to the Fall Festival, make sure you bring your horse's papers and qualifying score sheets. Twice when my mare was qualified for the Breeders' Championship Filly Final and I'd sent in my timely entry to the Fall Festival breed show I was told she wasn't allowed into the class because she hadn't qualified. I had to show proof. (And, yes, she won the class both times).

              The Fall Festival also has a Breeder's Futurity that, depending on your horse's sire, you may qualify for. Details for eligibility can be found here: http://www.neda.org/?page=BREEDFUTURITY
              This class is a nice way to actually win money in DSHB competition. I won it twice and pretty much covered my costs for the Fall Festival those years. It's on you to investigate whether you're eligible and then to show up when they announce the awards, though. I think last year it was held in the late afternoon. A friend who didn't realize she qualified had already set off for home when they called her horse for the award. Someone else took home her ribbon and got the $500 owner/ $250 breeder/ $250 stallion owner cash for third place.
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              • #8
                I've always had mine braided the night before and then put a sleazy and hood on them to keep the braids need. Always hire a handler. They're good at what they do and they probably run a lot faster than you do. :-)
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kyzteke View Post
                  Here's some I've learned:
                  1. If you are new at this, hire a handler that can show your horse at it's best. It's not as easy as it looks.
                  2. instill "forward" on your gal so you don't have to drag her. I do this by using a halter first, then practicing with my runner (I don't run ) while having the whip handler in the rear. Gotta be careful not to push TOO hard from the rear, as you want those big trots steps, NOT a canter.

                  3. Don't blow your fancy trot on the going away or coming towards the judge legs of the triangle. Sometimes going too fast can make them "wobble" and the judge is looking for straightness for those 2 legs. The time to "blow their doors off" w/the fancy, floaty trot is the long side of the triangle. The rest of the time a steady cadence that produces STRAIGHT, CORRECT movement is better.

                  4. Do a braid "run through" before the show. I know it's rare, but my best filly actually had such a melt-down over her BRAIDS at her first show, she was a total pig. THe night before when the handler practiced with her, she was great; actually handling the show atmosphere with great aplomb. The next morning, when her braids had been in for about 30 mins, she started to fuss. It got worse & worse, till by the time we hit the ring she was pawing at the ground, at her braids, fussing, trying to roll , wouldn't stand still. She was in 4 classes and it got worse & worse each time. In between each class she would try to throw herself again the stall wall in frustration!! Finally took the braids out (they are not required) and she did her last class with a little Sport Horse "Fro". However by that time she'd worn herself out with her histrionics and didn't show what she had. Talking to others, 1-2 other people have had this experience...just saying.

                  5. Yeah, we have a similar 2 shows that run back to back; I would not make this your filly's first outing, but I've seen horses do it so they can get qualifying scores for regionals.

                  6. Re: the buddy. Sometimes it works great...but sometimes it backfires. Because ultimately the horse will have to go in the ring alone, so they will have to leave their "babysitter" at some point. Personally, I prefer they learn right from the start that a human is their 'babysitter" and they have to learn how to get confidence from us. INstead, maybe haul her to several schooling shows or Pony Club events w/babysitter at first to instill her confidence?

                  Just don't make "the big show" her 1st or 2nd outing.

                  I'm sure others will chime in...good luck!
                  ALL OF THIS....went to my first DSHB with my yearling gelding...made almost every single mistake Kysteke mentioned...except the braiding...he handled that fantastic. but poor guy! Thank god he is bred to death and gorgeous and a fantastic mover and I had a good support group...he placed 2nd and 5th despite my ignorance and his meltdown. UGH!
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                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Great tips - thanks everyone!

                    I would never have thought of the braiding issue, and I'll start working on turning to the right.

                    She has been trailered out several times, but always with a buddy to pony her on trail rides. I'll work her up to going out on her own, and find a local schooling show to get her feet wet in.

                    Runningwater - her sire (Wild Dance) is on the NEDA list. Thank you for mentioning that!

                    Has anyone handled their own youngster? The feedback seems pretty consistent that it's worth getting a pro, but I'd love to hear from anyone who's done it themselves.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GreyDes View Post
                      Runningwater - her sire (Wild Dance) is on the NEDA list. Thank you for mentioning that!
                      Oh good! :-)

                      I've seen people handle their own, but they tend to do well only if the owners are athletes in top shape. Also, there's an element of experience that really helps; the pros and amateurs I know who have good success have been doing this for years.

                      For a first foray into breed shows, I'd say get a handler for the age/sex class -- in your case, 2yo Fillies -- as well as any championship rounds, and consider entering the Amateur Handler class to handle her yourself. In that class, the judge will give you feedback on your strengths and weaknesses as a handler. I'd be willing to bet any pro you might hire for the other classes would also give you a few tips.
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                      • #12
                        I have shown my own on occasion but never at the really big shows. And never the first time out.
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                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          Thanks all!

                          One last question - is there a preferred bridle/bit style, or does it not matter at all?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GreyDes View Post
                            Thanks all!

                            One last question - is there a preferred bridle/bit style, or does it not matter at all?
                            Does not matter. For 2 yr olds, I prefer something really small, thin. I don't mind if it has some "bite" to it, because you want alot of control.

                            Basically (per the pro handlers I've grilled), you are asking for a half-halt during the long side, so they can rock back and really get their hind end under them.

                            So the horse must be totally comfortable with a bridle and responsive to it. You can teach this at home. I start with instill a reliable response to pressure (the response being: GIVE) with halter & lead rope (I use rope halters).

                            Once they know how to move on the triangle, I get them use to wearing the bridle. Then, while they are just standing still, I start to ask them to "give" to the bit pressure in the same way.

                            This is where the pros excel. Showing a horse in hand is not all about just running fast (although to be really competitive in a big show, someone like Bruce Griffith w/his long legs AND experience is going to have an edge)...it's about control.

                            In our area we have some successful women handlers; Marion O'Conner handles all of her's and Jessica Wisdom handled one of my mare's to the championship...got some AMAZING steps o/o her!

                            But I honestly think that was a combination of lots of training here at home and Jessica's skill.

                            As far as handling your own horse...if you just want to bond & have fun, then do it. If you want to be competitive in a big area like it sounds like you are in, hire a handler.

                            If you are fit enough and fast enough and skilled enough, you might be able to handle your own at some point....but honestly, there is quite a bit to it if you are really good.

                            So it depends what your goal is regarding the showing...just to get her out and about? Or trying to rack up points, qualify for championships, etc.?

                            PS if you go ahead and try handling yourself, have someone video you doing it with the bridle on, etc. You might be surprised at how much you are yanking on the bridle, getting the horse off balance, etc. etc. There really IS a reason so many people hire handlers. But if you are young, fit, have a good sense of feel, there ARE lessons you can take from pros...and so you could use this season for experience and maybe next year do it yourself.

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                              #15
                              I think I got the message loud & clear to get some pro help

                              I'll do a schooling show, and maybe an amateur handling class. I REALLY appreciate the input and insight - I was thinking I could do it myself, but have been convinced otherwise

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                              • #16
                                hi GreyDes,
                                I would highly recommend getting a pro to show your horse for you the first couple of times for the big DSHB shows, I did it the first time and i totally stressed my poor guy out with my nervousness and inexperience...should have gone with a pro. he will be going out with a pro at the shows this year.

                                Great idea to go to some schooling shows! Good luck and enjoy being the owner of the youngster!
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by GreyDes View Post
                                  I think I got the message loud & clear to get some pro help

                                  I'll do a schooling show, and maybe an amateur handling class. I REALLY appreciate the input and insight - I was thinking I could do it myself, but have been convinced otherwise
                                  Well, it seems silly to waste all that $$ it costs to show in a recognized show and not have it count for something (points).

                                  Just for experience you can go to schooling shows....the horse won't be able to tell the difference <g>. Good luck!

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                                  • #18
                                    Just thought I'd mention that the January issue of Dressage Today has an excerpt from Reiner Klimike's book on training the young horse that explains in detail how to prep a 2 yr old for in-hand shows.

                                    Also explains why he felt this would help once the horse was started under saddle.

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                                    • #19
                                      DSHB Continued?

                                      FANTASTIC info so far! I had a few questions I hoped to add to the list...

                                      While I don't call myself a "professional" handler, I handle and am hired to handle horses in other breeding class situations (Breed shows and other disciplines) So my questions pertain to the DSHB specifics...

                                      1. What do Handler's Wear?
                                      2. When you set them for conformation inspection how do they prefer them set up? Every breed and discipline has a different way to set their feet and I wanted to make sure this youngster will set correctly, he'll do any set up I've trained but we need to know what we mean to to!

                                      He's already showing in a bridle and he's shown the hunter ring since he was a foal but it's not going to be his home

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by LMBeckwith View Post
                                        FANTASTIC info so far! I had a few questions I hoped to add to the list...

                                        While I don't call myself a "professional" handler, I handle and am hired to handle horses in other breeding class situations (Breed shows and other disciplines) So my questions pertain to the DSHB specifics...

                                        1. What do Handler's Wear?
                                        2. When you set them for conformation inspection how do they prefer them set up? Every breed and discipline has a different way to set their feet and I wanted to make sure this youngster will set correctly, he'll do any set up I've trained but we need to know what we mean to to!

                                        He's already showing in a bridle and he's shown the hunter ring since he was a foal but it's not going to be his home
                                        Get the USDF video and read the rules (not being snarky, but you will want to read the rules--for example it will spell out when you use a bridle vs. a halter). Men often wear a white button up, belt and white khaki's with tennis shoes. I wore light kahki pants and a white polo (I don't have a farm shirt). If I was at Devon I would figure out what women wore. I was in MN and fit right in.

                                        You stand them in an open stance to the judge. This is the first picture I saw on Google--look at the second one down. This is an open leg stance. http://www.sonnenberg.us/2010.html

                                        Also from Google--more info on the process and what to wear:
                                        http://www.greengatestud.com/wp/wp-c...e-triangle.pdf
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