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  • Old Type WB Stallion Suggestions?

    I know the current trend is for more refined Warmbloods, but I am a sucker for a classic Roman Head and a Big Caboose, lol!

    I have a 16.2 1/2hh older-style, bigger built TB mare I want to breed this year.

    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/inde...mall_font=1&l=

    She could use some strengthening in the rear-angle department, though she is straight and sound all around and much more balanced than a lot of the OTTB's seen today. She has very nice bone.

    I am looking for a BIG Warmblood with a lot of substance and bone, who is clean and short-coupled (I don't want a long back) to produce a nice big hunky baby for me..... Awesome movement is a plus, but Dressage star quality not required. I really like a well-laid back shoulder too...

    Asking too much?

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    I have the Holsteiner Cimarron, who is inbred to the foundation Holsteiner lines of Farn, etc. that produced the great jumping sire Nimmerdor.

    There is a good analysis of his pedigree here: http://www.sport-horse-breeder.com/u...pedigrees.html

    He is located in Maryland. I also have Cleveland Bay Sporthorse and purebred Cleveland Bay stallions that might be of interest.

    Marcia
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    • #3
      I will just throw out there an Irish Draught if you want something that resembles and old style WB - I've had a number of ISH mistaken for that. I even have one dressage test where the judge wrote what a nice old style WB he was.

      If you want proven dressage ability- Steeped in Luck has been with Olympic rider Tom Dvorak (Canada) and has thus far competed to I1. He is 16.3 There is also KEC Double Diamond who went to 4th level and also 16.3. There is a smaller 16.1 stallion Lionwood Kinsales Lad who is PSG or I1
      Last edited by horsetales; Jan. 5, 2014, 09:41 AM. Reason: clarity
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      • #4
        Freestyle, a stallion approved with several warmblood registries, comes to mind. He has a short back, lots of substance, and great movement and temperament. He also has great fresh semen and a super stallion owner. www.dreamscapefarm.com
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        • #5
          Most freestyle babies are pretty refined (he's local, so there are a lot of his babies around), and as lovely as he is, I wouldn't look to him for "old style"...
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          • #6
            Graf Top II. Proven old style G-line bloodlines. Plus, Edgar is a fantastic stallion owner and will bend over backwards to help you get your mare pregnant.
            Last edited by Fourbeats; Jan. 5, 2014, 03:53 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ibex View Post
              Most freestyle babies are pretty refined (he's local, so there are a lot of his babies around), and as lovely as he is, I wouldn't look to him for "old style"...
              Agree with this. Freestyle himself is super modern, very leggy. Definitely not old style. Jennifer likes modern types so there are no stallions at Dreamscape that I would describe as old style ( ), although Diamond Stud is a really big moving, powerful type. Not what I would call "old style" but might be a good compromise for you if you are looking for a stallion with substance and fantastic movement and would prefer not to go with the popular "modern" type.

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              • #8
                You might see if there is any frozen left of Corlando. He stood at TF Hanoverians. I used him on a refined Thoroughbred mare and she produced a big boy that is certainly alot more "old fashioned" type than the same mare produced from other WB stallions. That said, he's a sweetheart and lovely mover, scopey jumper.
                PennyG

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                • #9
                  For obvious reasons I love Waldaire. www.watermark-farm.net
                  Anne
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                  • #10
                    You may want to look at Viva Voltaire. He obviously produces offspring that can achieve the upper levels, dressage and jumping. He has good old fashioned bloodlines Voltaire-Argentinus-Grannus. He himself has a lovely head so you may not get that big Roman head, but his body is large boned with big frame.
                    Read about my time at the Hannoveraner Verband Breeders Courses:
                    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2011.html
                    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2012.html

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                    • #11
                      At the risk of sounding like a broken record (I just like him so much!) I think Viva Voltaire is just the cat's meow. He is just my idea of the perfect old style warmblood, and he has proven himself over and over again as a prepotent stallion.
                      Be firm, fair, kind, clear, consistent, patient, and, above all else, maintain a sense of humour.
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                        Originally posted by horsetales View Post
                        I will just throw out there an Irish Draught if you want something that resembles and old style WB - I've had a number of ISH mistaken for that. I even have one dressage test where the judge wrote what a nice old style WB he was.

                        If you want proven dressage ability- Steeped in Luck has been with Olympic rider Tom Dvorak (Canada) and has thus far competed to I1. He is 16.3 There is also KEC Double Diamond who went to 4th level and also 16.3. There is a smaller 16.1 stallion Lionwood Kinsales Lad who is PSG or I1
                        Great Suggestion! I have been looking at RID's all morning. Steeped in Luck is nice. I also like this Hunk : http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j...89040126863753

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                        • #13
                          You could look at ES Donavan (http://esdonavan.com/) offspring to see if he is throwing what you like. My girl is out of a TB mare and while not a tank, she is a big girl. I know Donavan has a lot of TB crosses out there so you could see what he throws depending on the mare type.

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                          • #14
                            Another you might consider is the Swedish stallion Amorex. Well bred, lovely older type that competed successfully. Has sired successful offspring in all disciplines. You can find him on Facebook.
                            Judy
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Blume Farm View Post
                              You may want to look at Viva Voltaire. He obviously produces offspring that can achieve the upper levels, dressage and jumping. He has good old fashioned bloodlines Voltaire-Argentinus-Grannus. He himself has a lovely head so you may not get that big Roman head, but his body is large boned with big frame.
                              I checked out the website and actually was more impressed with Rio Grande.......

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Blume Farm View Post
                                You may want to look at Viva Voltaire. He obviously produces offspring that can achieve the upper levels, dressage and jumping. He has good old fashioned bloodlines Voltaire-Argentinus-Grannus. He himself has a lovely head so you may not get that big Roman head, but his body is large boned with big frame.
                                Am I missing the stud fees for their stallions somewhere? It HAS been a long day...
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                                • #17
                                  Yes Rio Grand would be another excellent choice, but you would have to go the frozen route.
                                  Be firm, fair, kind, clear, consistent, patient, and, above all else, maintain a sense of humour.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by TrotTrotPumpkn View Post
                                    Am I missing the stud fees for their stallions somewhere? It HAS been a long day...
                                    http://www.charlotfarm.com/breeding-program.asp
                                    Read about my time at the Hannoveraner Verband Breeders Courses:
                                    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2011.html
                                    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2012.html

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                                    • #19
                                      Cockpit on Judy Yancey's website caught my eye. He's only available via Frozen though. http://www.haras-du-feuillard.com/fi...ockpit_en.html

                                      What a beautiful face and I love the archy/cresty neck.
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                                      • #20
                                        Irish Draught again

                                        I've a big Irish Draught stallion who will be in his second year with us. www.BlackshireEquestrian.com His name is Beeston Laird RID 17.2 and 11 inches of bone but length of leg and is throwing leg. We are very happy with his first crop of foals from a variety of mares. He throws a lot to the head of the mare but with his frame. He adds bone and leg. They have truely lovely canters and gallops with big walks. They don't trot much, canter everywhere they go, so it is hard to judge. Their sire didn't have a chance to show much but proved his temperament and trainability. He has a adult foal now moving up the levels as a young event riders horse in BC Canada. Easy horses to handle and not at all thugs as some big smart Irish can be. He was raised and stood in British Columbia for a few years after his approval and has some very nice older offspring starting to show and now our new crop from 2013. Search Beeston Laird. PatO Merrypath Irish Draughts

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