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  • foal with heart problem

    Hi guys,

    Not sure which forum my post goes under so I will try here.

    So, a few months ago I purchased a weanling. Goes through vet check and get it transported interstate.
    1 month later I had the vet out for another reason and tells me my horse has a murmur sound.
    Book it in to a equine cardiologist who detected my horse has mitral regurgitation associated with thickening of the mitral valve

    So. Cardiologist says, at this stage it is mild, but has concerns as the horse is only 8 months old.

    The vet who did the vet check (and has seen the horse a number of times), claims he could not hear anything.

    I have spoken to the breeder about returning the horse, as the horse has been bought as a competion prospect and I can not longer get a "loss of use" insurance on the horse when turning 2, due to the heart defect.

    What would you do as a A: Rider or B: breeder?

    I feel genuinely sorry for the breeders as they could not have known this, but there are enough risks associated with having a horse.

    Hope to hear peoples perspective.

  • #2
    As a breeder I'd offer you a replacement just as soon as I could get one on the ground. As a rider, I'd get a second opinion as there are heart murmurs and Heart Murmurs.
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    • Original Poster

      Thank you Molly! I have had leading cardiologists looking at the horse and through tests.
      Trust me, after looking at many (I mean MANY) horses, this one was THE ONE so its with a heavy heart and many tears I'm going through this.


      • #4
        wow, first I am sorry you have to deal with this.

        I would certainly hope the breeder would take him back and offer a replacement horse. Which I know is hard for you to accept because you did all of the searching and this guy was/is 'the one'

        It sounds as though there is agreement among specialists that your boy does have this condition. I would try to negotiate with the breeder about returning him.

        so very sorry


        • #5
          Quite a few breeders right on this board have had foals who had a murmur that disappeared by the time they were riding age. I don't know if that is something you can have an inkling of based on how the murmur sounds, or if it's just a matter of "foals tend to outgrow murmurs in general, though occasionally they don't".
          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


          • #6
            Did you have a formal PPE and was it with the breeder's vet or and independent vet?
            If you did not have a PPE that was your choice and on you. If you had the breeder's vet do it you likely should have had it done by a vet not associated with the breeder. Many vets in my area will not do a PPE for a prospective buyer on an existing client's horse. In part because we all see what we expect to see and in large part due to conflict of interest or appearance of conflict of interest. Most people recommend not having the PPE done by the owner's vet.

            If you had a PPE done by an independent vet then the responsibility lies with that vet for not performing an adequate PPE. I am not sure how you would begin to pursue that.

            I don't see how it is the responsibility of the breeder unless she knew that the horse had the heart murmer or the dam/sire had a history of throwing horses with heart murmers.

            It is a really sucky situation for both you and the breeder but nobody's fault. As long as the breeder didn't know about it or have reason to suspect a murmer then she sold the horse in good faith. It is up to the purchaser to select an approprate PPE vet or if take their chances if they don't get a PPE.
            Sorry if that sounds harsh.
            Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)


            • #7
              I agree 100% with SonnysMom. Unless you have reason to believe that the breeder knew about this and didn't tell you or the PPE vet, this is a case of caveat emptor. It's also entirely possible that there was no murmur audible at the prepurchase and the horse developed it in the month you've had it. I think expecting the breeder to be responsible for this is over the top.


              • #8
                I don't think anyone is suggesting it is the responsibility of the breeder. The question is - as a breeder, what would you do?

                I personally would rather have a horse I bred back with me than facing an uncertain fate (which might turn out to be perfectly ok anyway) and a happy buyer. I don't feel it's my responsibility, I feel it's the right thing to do.
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