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  • #61
    Secretariat... my Perfect Soul gelding, Charlie Moon, goes back to Secretariat twice. His dam is by Academy Award. He's still gangly and growing at 5 but has a good mind and quick feet. I have a bunch of Perfect Soul's on my virtual stable and would take another in a minute.

    I would love to breed my good mare with him someday. He would compliment her perfectly ha ha.

    Nancy
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    • #62
      Take a look at Master Huntsman - http://www.pedigreequery.com/master+huntsman and Murray's Law. http://www.pedigreequery.com/murrays+law
      Both stood with me their entire career, I owned Huntsman as a weanling on and bred Murray. Huntsman has passed, but his babies are still doing well in sport. They have the temperment you wish in spades - "put me in coach" has been a mantra for their produce as well as intelligence, trainability and personality plus. They were primarily bred locally, their babies have done well in all disciplines - having very good gaits and wonderful form and scope over fences. I only can offer frozen. Their pedigrees have wonderful sport lines that are disappearing up close. Babies are usually beautiful, leggy and have lovely expression.
      PennyG

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      • #63
        Is Yellow Creek still standing - I have a gelding by him and started another and both were very easy going and affectionate, good movers and athletic.

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        • #64
          Rather Well? He, AFR, and Yellow Creek are all Canadian.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
            Rather Well? He, AFR, and Yellow Creek are all Canadian.
            Also Lanciano!

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            • #66
              We have had several by the Trakehner stallion Tzigane, including the young stallion, Semper Fidelis. They have all been easy, easy, easy.

              Tzigane is available, by frozen, in the US this year!

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              • #67
                Originally posted by QHEventr View Post
                Hi all,

                I am looking for stallion suggestions for a TB mare, with the hopes of producing an exceptionally ammy friendly event prospect. This would be my personal (hopefully) upper level horse one day, so personality is highest priority. Obviously a well out together, good moving individual is important as well. I have no desire to deal with the hot, super sensitive rides anymore, and really want a professional, 'yes m'am' type, yet one that can still think for itself when needed.

                Would prefer full Thoroughbred, but am open to other breeds if the ammy friendly foals are there. I love A Fine Romance, but unsure of his availability for a bit later this year. Any other stallions out there known for producing stellar brains, trainability, bravery and good movement?


                Johanna
                Thank you so much Johanna for your kind words and confidence in A Fine Romance.
                I love your mare, and think they would produce a great baby together.
                You have seen his son, my homebred full TB 'South Bound' compete in the GP jumper ring, so you know the kind of horse he can produce out a full TB mare.
                He also competed at Advanced before moving to the GP ring.
                Another full TB by AFR currently competing at the *** level is Selena O'Hanlon's A First Romance who is incredibly athletic, with a great gallop and jump. He is a bit more difficult than the usual AFR offspring, or AFR himself, but undeniably brave and honest.
                As you know and as others have said, one thing to look for in a stallion is one that produces the kind of horse you want out of mares like yours.

                I am sorry to say that I am not booking any more mares this year, but will send you a PM. I do have frozen semen available.
                Thank you to everyone else who has suggested AFR.

                I am in a similar situation to you, with my AFR daughter (full TB, full sister to South Bound) - in terms of looking for a stallion.
                I love Diamant de Semilly, but he is available only by frozen.
                With the CEM situation impacting shipping fresh semen to Canada that further limits my choices - but that would not affect you.

                I have always liked Concerto Grosso and another horse who interests me is Crin Rouge. Perhaps you might have a look at them?
                I bred my filly to a nice young horse up here who competes in the jumper ring named VDL Windsor (Indoctro/Ahorn). Not much TB blood there, but a refined individual with a big jump, good movement and a great temperament
                He is a 1/2 brother to the very good horse VDL Ulando who was so tragically killed in that terrible trailer accident.
                He stands here in Ontario, and I can give you his contact info.
                I also like Yellow Creek very much, and have two exceptional foals this year by AFR out of YC mares.

                Thank you again for putting A Fine Romance at the top of your list, that is a huge compliment to him, and his offspring.

                Best of luck in your search, Gail

                Here is my full TB colt by A Fine Romance x Yellow Creek mare.
                3 weeks old in this pic.
                https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...type=1&theater

                and a picture of AFR, aged 22 - taken the same day.
                Such a nice comment by Jon Holling, who rode him when he was with Peter Gray and Paul Delbrook.

                https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...type=1&theater
                Last edited by Fred; Jun. 8, 2013, 04:04 PM. Reason: pics added!
                A Fine Romance. April 1991 - June 2016. Loved forever.

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                • #68
                  I am looking for stallion suggestions for a TB mare, with the hopes of producing an exceptionally ammy friendly event prospect.
                  What level are you planning to event this horse? We breed a very different horse to be an ammy-friendly upper level horse than to be a competitive CCI**** horse, not that you can't get both in one horse, but I think it's harder. For example, higher percent TB is more important for a CCI**** horse than for an Advanced horse who will be doing mainly horse trials.

                  Any Irish Draught or Irish Draught SPort Horse would be ammy friendly.
                  I agree! For adult amateur personality, I love a horse with a higher percent draft! This guy is on my list for an ammy friendly UL mount, adorable and looks SO sane and safe:
                  http://www.lonetreefarm.net/stallions.htm

                  We love our Royal Appearance babies, insane jumpers, lovely movers, super personalities, but VERY smart and a bit cheeky. Not sure if he is still standing at VA tech. We also have a lovely, sweet baby by Cicera's Icewater - just the one so far. The best temperament we have had to date AND a lovely mover and jumper was a 4-year-old we sold this year to an eventing barn who was out of an OTTB mare by Contucci. If we were not cash poor right now, I'd breed back to him in a heartbeat - he grew into a tall horse but not heavy boned and super light on his feet. Our Soprano filly is also a pocket pet and fancy. We bred to Sea Accounts this year and are excited to see his baby next year! Also, EMCO has some frozen from Europe and are very nice to work with - we have a lovely filly by Cevin Z, a stallion who was the sire of my FAVORITE mare at Badminon this year: Borough Pennyz - serious droooollllll......

                  We are also spoiled by our farm manager and general baby wrangler, Sarah, who makes ALL the babies into stars, even the ones by horses like Riverman who have a reputation for having difficult foals. I think it is easy to forget that a horse with the potential to be nice can be traumatized in the wrong hands no matter how good the breeding.

                  We have finally been able to breed to our TB stallion, Wingman, this year who has a pretty amazing pedigree, great soundness (retired sound from racing at 7-years-old after 46 starts), and packed my adult amateur butt around the trails after being off the track less than a month. Unfortunately, he seems to have, ummmm, shall we say, performance anxiety, and only seems to get mares pregnant in the pasture.....

                  Do you have any Jumbo lined stallions over there?
                  I would love to know if anyone knows of any! Sharon White has a wonderful filly we raised who is 3 years old now by Jumbo, class act!!!!
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Wits End Eventing View Post
                    What level are you planning to event this horse? We breed a very different horse to be an ammy-friendly upper level horse than to be a competitive CCI**** horse, not that you can't get both in one horse, but I think it's harder. For example, higher percent TB is more important for a CCI**** horse than for an Advanced horse who will be doing mainly horse trials.


                    I agree! For adult amateur personality, I love a horse with a higher percent draft! This guy is on my list for an ammy friendly UL mount, adorable and looks SO sane and safe:
                    http://www.lonetreefarm.net/stallions.htm

                    We love our Royal Appearance babies, insane jumpers, lovely movers, super personalities, but VERY smart and a bit cheeky. Not sure if he is still standing at VA tech. We also have a lovely, sweet baby by Cicera's Icewater - just the one so far. The best temperament we have had to date AND a lovely mover and jumper was a 4-year-old we sold this year to an eventing barn who was out of an OTTB mare by Contucci. If we were not cash poor right now, I'd breed back to him in a heartbeat - he grew into a tall horse but not heavy boned and super light on his feet. Our Soprano filly is also a pocket pet and fancy. We bred to Sea Accounts this year and are excited to see his baby next year! Also, EMCO has some frozen from Europe and are very nice to work with - we have a lovely filly by Cevin Z, a stallion who was the sire of my FAVORITE mare at Badminon this year: Borough Pennyz - serious droooollllll......

                    We are also spoiled by our farm manager and general baby wrangler, Sarah, who makes ALL the babies into stars, even the ones by horses like Riverman who have a reputation for having difficult foals. I think it is easy to forget that a horse with the potential to be nice can be traumatized in the wrong hands no matter how good the breeding.

                    We have finally been able to breed to our TB stallion, Wingman, this year who has a pretty amazing pedigree, great soundness (retired sound from racing at 7-years-old after 46 starts), and packed my adult amateur butt around the trails after being off the track less than a month. Unfortunately, he seems to have, ummmm, shall we say, performance anxiety, and only seems to get mares pregnant in the pasture.....



                    I would love to know if anyone knows of any! Sharon White has a wonderful filly we raised who is 3 years old now by Jumbo, class act!!!!

                    The hope would be that this foal would be my next upper level (cci****) horse. I want both ammy friendly, as I've been out of the game a bit, and while technically a professional, no longer want a hot, tough, or quirky ride. I've had them, and no longer enjoy it. I truly believe that you CAN breed an ammy friendly and competitive **** type horse. I've got one, who's very much retired now. I just need him in a more sound body My retired advanced horse is full TB, a complete saint, quiet and game. He was also incredibly fancy, and talented over fences.

                    I don't want something drafty, as losing the gallop and wind would be a huge issue. I'm not looking for a novice packer, but an upper level horse. I'd also not like to add too much warmblood, and dull the foal down too much. I'd like to keep at least 75% blood, but ideally would like to stay full TB.

                    Johanna
                    "Animals can sometimes take us to a place that we cannot reach ourself"

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                    • #70
                      if you are not opposed to Arab blood, Icarus has a fair bit of Arabian blood for a Warmblood and he crosses well with TB's

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                      • #71
                        Here is a link to the stallion I bred my full TB mare Tess/Tuscany Romance to.
                        He is a jumper and jumper bred, but my hope in breeding to him was to produce an U/L event horse.

                        Although he has very little TB blood (Ladykiller), he is a refined and modern type of mostly Holsteiner breeding. I am hoping that the TB side of the pedigree will come through strongly.

                        www.pedigreequery.com/tuscany+romance


                        http://www.canadianwarmbloods.com/st...orseid=1000138

                        (disclaimer - other than having bred my mare to VDL Windsor, I have no connection or financial interest in him)
                        A Fine Romance. April 1991 - June 2016. Loved forever.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Wits End Eventing View Post
                          What level are you planning to event this horse? We breed a very different horse to be an ammy-friendly upper level horse than to be a competitive CCI**** horse, not that you can't get both in one horse, but I think it's harder. For example, higher percent TB is more important for a CCI**** horse than for an Advanced horse who will be doing mainly horse trials.


                          I agree! For adult amateur personality, I love a horse with a higher percent draft! This guy is on my list for an ammy friendly UL mount, adorable and looks SO sane and safe:
                          http://www.lonetreefarm.net/stallions.htm
                          I've been keeping an eye on that guy too. I hadn't been on the site in a while and enjoyed seeing the new pics and video. I will have to admit, having just moved up to Intermediate myself (on a 15 hd Connemara no less), I had a bit of a giggle when I saw the corners and chevrons on the course. They look just like the chevrons and corners at training level here!

                          Back to the topic though, I have just bred two of my Conn x TB mares to Irish Draught stallions. We have a filly this year by *Winmaur Sergeant Pepper, and I have a mare in foal to Flexible for 2014 (although I don't think that one will necessarily be 'ammy-friendly', we'll see! ). I know that some of the Cruising's are considered 'tough' but Flexible's full sister is toting a kid around at 1.2m. I think some of their personality and character not only comes from the mare, but with their upbringing (kinda like Wits End was saying). Flexible certainly carries the genes to produce a CCI**** horse. I think 3 Cruising offspring, and one grand-offspring were at the London Olympics. His frozen is very good BTW.
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                          • #73
                            I've got a lovely young TB stallion running Training now, and he has buckets more talent than either of the horses I've gone Intermediate on (sorry, girls!).

                            His oldest foal is only 2 but all his foals (7 IIRC) are gorgeous and have GREAT temperaments. I have a yearling ISH colt by him who would never be for sale if he was a filly....! But I don't 'do' geldings.....

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                            Jennifer
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by JER View Post
                              I will vouch for the excellent temperament for Icarus de Carolina as well as the excellent temperament of a Gatsby offspring. Last summer, Icarus de Carolina was living in a barn with my horses (mares and geldings), and he has superlative manners. There was also a Gatsby offspring there who was as nice a youngster as you could hope for. (Both Ike and the Gatsby offspring were smaller horses, in the 15.2hh range, but could carry a good size rider.)
                              I'm going to put in a third vote to look at Icarus. He is smaller, and his babies tend to be very refined. He is a good choice for a heavier mare if you want to lighten her. He also has quite a bit of Arabian blood, and his offspring make excellent, very brave eventers. They can be a little sassy to start, but tend to grow out of it very quickly, and become excellent amateur horses.

                              As has already been mentioned, Ike has an exceptional temperament, and his current owner has been competing him in the jumper ring since she was 12. He is one of my all-time favorite horses, and if I had a mare to breed, I would without a doubt use Ike.

                              Good luck and have fun with your stallion search!
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                              • #75
                                So Mr. PF is an avowed TB lover, and when I bred our 17 hand, big boned, old fashioned TB to Palladio he whinged and moaned--not only a Warmblood, but a PINTO one to boot, the horrors! "That one'll be yours" he said.

                                Flash-forward four years, and the loudly colored filly which resulted has just finished 2nd in her first event, finishing on her dressage score of 29, getting a 9 on gaits, and being asked about by no fewer than 4 other upper level riders. He came of the XC, and said she might be the best galloper I've ever ridden.

                                I asked him when I could get "my" horse back, and he clung to her neck and gave me the stink eye.

                                Now her Mum had a wonderful temperament, but this filly has been easy peasy since she hit the ground. Can't say enough good things about him, and he has a stallion son who is in training with Meika Decher to event.

                                Outside the box, but I'm super impressed with him.
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                                • #76
                                  My TB stallion Noles is producing incredible jumping talent and wonderful ridability. First foals are 6 year olds and showing really well.
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                                  • #77
                                    An A Fine Romance offspring update:
                                    In the last couple of weeks there have been some more wins, one at BN, A Novel Romance, another at OP ,Landmark's Ginger Rogers, and one at CIC**, A Little Romance.
                                    A Fine Romance. April 1991 - June 2016. Loved forever.

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                                    • #78
                                      I have been very pleased with my 4 year old by Cubito. I purchased her as a yearling.

                                      http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...3-13-(Post-12)

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                                      • #79
                                        Reviving this old thread ...

                                        I remember reading it last year with interest (so many good suggestions!) and I was wondering if the OP would care to comment on what choice she made?

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                                        • #80
                                          Concerto Grosso just got approved and licensed by the RPSI this week. The inspector raved about his bloodlines exclaiming that his TB grandsire, Koenigspark, was an exceptional stallion, but underused by the Holsteiner breeders because he had too much chrome. CG produces super-friendly babies that have a work ethic even out of difficult mares. CG is very fertile, so mare owners spend less getting their mares pregnant. One of his sons, Counterpoint, easily ran his Amy Owner around a CCI** this year.

                                          Why own a horse that isn't fun and easy to compete?

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