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Stallion advise for 18.2hh KWPN Mare by Rolls Royce

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  • Stallion advise for 18.2hh KWPN Mare by Rolls Royce

    I am looking to breed this season - does anyone have any suggestions of who I should breed to? She is a lovely calm mare. Vet strongly suggest fresh and not frozen. Would prefer dressage route but opinions and all suggestions very welcome.I am a first time breeder!

    Thank you

  • #2
    In doing research for my older maiden KWPN mare I have seen Sir Sinclair used in combination with Rolls Royce but I am just in love with Connaisseur. Both are available fresh.... which was one of my own criteria....

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    • #3
      Does the stallion need to be KWPN approved? If it doesn't matter what about Rapture R as I believe he is a smaller stallion though not 100% sure what he is producing in foals?
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      • #4
        Dauphin comes to my mind (not knowing your mare's conformation) but not available fresh.

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          #5
          Thank you. I looked at Sir Sinclair as well Connaisseur who is just stunning. I have also liked Idokus.

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          • #6
            Benidetto?
            Caitlin
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            • #7
              I wanna see a picture of that mare. That is huge!

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              • #8
                A pony stallion...

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                • #9
                  We selected Escudo II some years back for an 18.1h mare belonging to someone I knew. She liked the foal so much, she bred back to him the next year. I haven't seen those fillies for a few years (they moved out of state), so don't know how they turned out, but the last I heard, they were thinking they were going to finish in the 16.3 - 17h range.

                  There are some smallish guys on the OHBS/GOV roster that would give you a KWPN register A foal (assuming you plan to stay with KWPN). Some are listed at 16.2h, but they must have been standing on their tippy-toes when they were measured, or their owners "rounded up" when publishing their heights.

                  Benidetto (16.1-1/2h, Belissimo M / Cordoba)
                  Dacaprio (16.2h, Davignon I / Caprimond)
                  DeLuxe (16.2h, De Niro / Andiamo)
                  Escudo II (16h, Espri / Arkansas)
                  Pablo (16.1-1/2, Pilot / Matrox)
                  Rapture R (16.1-3/4, Rotspon / Donnerhall)
                  Regazzoni (16.1h, Rubinstein I / Werther)
                  Rodioso (16.1h, Rohdiamant / Furioso II)
                  Roubaix (16.1-1/2h, Rohdiamant / Lamentos)
                  Royal Prince (16.1-1/2h, Rohdiamant / Prince Thatch xx)
                  Sir Gregory (16.2, Sir Donnerhall I / Don Gregory)
                  Sure Hit (16.2h, Sandro Hit / Furioso II)

                  One think to consider is how much height is in the stallion's pedigree. For instance, Sir Gregory is one of the "smaller" 16.2h stallions, but he has a fair amount of height behind him (Sandro Hit, Don Gregory, Donnerhall, etc.)

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                  • #10
                    I love saint Sandro and the foals that he throws! He cleans up at every show he goes to also!!

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                    • #11
                      But I don't think Saint Sandro foals are eligible for KWPN registration.

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                      • #12
                        I've photographed Rapture R and several of his foals. Found him to be lovely to watch move, well put together and was very impressed by his work ethic. The offspring I photographed were personable, attractive and all very well balanced out of a variety of mares.
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                        • #13
                          Pictures please!

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                          • #14
                            I would use Escudo II if I had a mare that big. Well actually, I think you should give her to me so that I can breed her to my favorite pony stallion!!!!
                            Chris
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                              #15
                              Picture

                              Originally posted by TBPONY View Post
                              Pictures please!
                              I will post a picture over the weekend but I am afraid that I will not be breeding her to a pony lol. I would like to keep size. Please keep the suggestions coming thank you!

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                              • #16
                                I think Rapture R is only available frozen, so if she can't be bred with frozen semen, he isn't an option. A stallion I saw I quite liked is Wild Dance. He has some nice offspring, proven in performance, and a performance career himself as well as terrific scores on his 100 d.t.. He is moderate size.
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                                  #17
                                  I can't upload her picture - I have a picture of her on her former owner's page

                                  http://www.equestrianlife.com/horses/7684/Mercedes/

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                                  • #18
                                    The site looks like it is down and can't see the pictures. I had a Rolls Royce gelding I bred a long time back. Wasn't that tall. What is on the dam side? Do you have a picture you can email?

                                    Kathy
                                    kathy@majesticgaits.com
                                    Majestic Gaits-Dutch Warmbloods,#1 USEF Dressage Sporthorse Breeder. #1 KWPN-NA Jumpers.Standing Navarone,Schroeder,Dante MG.VDL Frozen.

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                                    • #19
                                      You really did not give us enough information to make stallion suggestions for your mare, you did not reference the mare line. To make a decent suggestions, I would need to know not only the sire - but the dam and a three or four generation pedigree of the dam.

                                      Since you mention only the height - maybe the real question is: Is an 18.2 hand mare too big to breed?

                                      When I am breeding horses - before I ever get to the stallion, I evaluate the mare. Her pedigree, her type, her conformation, her mind, her achievements. OF these type is critical. By type, does she look like what she in intended to be. Ie does she look like a mare, a dressage horse etc. One of the factors in type is size and any horse over about 17.2 is too big.

                                      Sometime mitigating factors would make one breed a mare that is not the ideal type your looking for. A sucessfull FEI mare that is too big, too small would be high on my list. But I would still think long and hard and everything else, pedigree, mind conformation would have to be above average.

                                      I am not saying not to breed your mare - if she is perfect in everyother way other than she is really big - why not. However, in my experience size is not something that you can control by picking a small stallion. Unless the type is fixed in a mare - which I am guessing it is not as she is too big to be the type that breed associations are looking for - the size is all over the map. Most warmblood registries want mares that are between 16 and 17 hands - and will go up or down an inch or two but not more than that. If you breed an 18.2 hand mare you are taking a big gamble on the size of the foal. Even if it is 4 inches shorter than the mother - it will still be on the edge of what most buyers consider too big.

                                      The bottom line is that unless you would be happy with an 18.2 hand carbon copy of your mare - you should not breed her at all.

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                                        #20
                                        She has produced one other offspring that finished I believe 17hh. In terms of her size _ it is a fluke.
                                        Here is her pedigree:
                                        http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mercedes58

                                        She has a bomb proof disposition, she is a heavier older type, she is dressage trained to second level - not her fault her two previous owners did little with her. Since I began working her regularly in the last month she has a great attitude and work ethic.

                                        I am considering breeding her to Rubignon for breeding her is a lighter type and great bloodlines - If you would like I can email pictures _ I do not know how to upload them here.

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