• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Maiden mare, too old to breed?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Maiden mare, too old to breed?

    I have a very special mare who is 10 years old this year. She is maiden and lately I've been thinking about having a foal from her. She is Worldly/Graf Remus, black and has such an amazing disposition! She is the most important horse to me that I have ever had. I cannot imagine losing her which is why I am struggling with the decision to breed her. It Is rather a catch 22 though because her importance to me is also the same reason I want her foal! I have heard it said that if you are not willing to risk losing your mare you should not breed her. That stuck with me, but at the same time...sigh...I just want her baby! ET is so expensive and there are still risks. I'm indecisive. Any suggestions or advice?

  • #2
    Have you ever bred a mare before, or would this be a first time for you too?

    The vet will be able to tell you wether it's safe for her, but I agree wholeheartedly with the advice: if the mare is too special to lose, don't breed her. I have a mare like that...I love her dearly and she's everything to me (I have 5 other horses but she's the "one")...I can't imagine losing her and would never breed her and risk losing her to a complication. But then again, with all of the horses out there, I don't see a point in breeding any of mine. I leave breeding up to professionals and have no desire to try my hand at it.
    Last edited by hundredacres; Apr. 22, 2013, 12:43 PM.

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      I've bred a mare before (once) in 2003 and last year foaled out a mare at my farm. But I am not a breeder. I just want the one foal from this mare.

      Comment


      • #4
        No, she is not too old. Only you can answer the rest of the question however.
        McDowell Racing Stables

        Home Away From Home

        Comment


        • #5
          Yes, you could lose her to complications. But, you could also lose her to a freak injury or pasture accident. There are risks in life and in breeding. And, what if she makes a GREAT mom and nice babies? Make sure you weigh both the pros and the cons.

          As far as age, I've seen significantly older maidens. She'll tell you if she can have babies- by simply taking or not taking. Ask your vet too!

          Good luck- and follow your heart on this one!
          I see distances. Most times more than one. Sometimes I pick the right one, sometimes I pick the wrong one, and sometimes I close my eyes and let Jesus take the wheel.

          Comment


          • #6
            The oldest maiden I bred was 18. She was owned by a vet and she came with a clean culture, a terrific biopsy and no reason on earth why she couldnt conceive and carry safely

            I leased her for one breeding season and she caught on the 2nd cycle, carried fine, foaled out fine, seemed a little surprised to be sharing her stall with a little one but was a great Mom overall.

            We truly didnt have one minute of trouble breeding a maiden mare that old. Wouldnt hesitate to do it again if the opportunity presented itself

            Good luck in your decision!
            www.TrueColoursFarm.com
            www.truecoloursproducts.com

            True Colours Farm on Facebook

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #7
              Great advice. Thanks to everyone. I think what keeps me thinking about it is that even though there are numerous horses available for sale, I would have a very hard time trying to replace her. I literally searched the world. Found her in Germany (as a 3 year old) and I know that to find one like her in the U.S. would cost way more than I paid for her. I bought her with the intention of breeding but ended up keeping her as my main riding horse because of her willing (almost eager) desire to work while at the same time is just a cuddle bug. It's so complicated because all of the things about her that keep me wishing for her foal all also the same things that keep me from breeding her for fear of losing her. I damned if I do and damned if I don't! In addition, I am truly the most indecisive person I know...

              Comment


              • #8
                Have the vet out for a breeding soundness exam. If the vet says she's high risk, then you have your answer. If the vet says she has no increased risks, then you'll actually have to make up your mind.

                Comment


                • #9
                  So continue to ride and compete her for a few more years and then breed her when she's 15. Save your pennies in the meantime to pay for ET in case you decide to go that route later.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    If you decide not to breed her, maybe you can contact the breeder and inquire about siblings or step siblings? Maybe her traits are partially inheritable. Good luck in your decision.
                    “Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
                    ¯ Oscar Wilde

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      No one can tell you with any assurance that there will be no risk for disaster if you breed your mare. The risk is quite low, but no one has a crystal ball that will show what will happen in the future and pregnancy and foaling carry very real and possibly fatal risks. I have had many, many textbook foalings. I have also lost a mare 20 hours post foaling to a twisted colon. Despite fast and expert intervention the mare could not be saved. Another possible risk is back problems from the pregnancy which could negatively impact the mare going back under saddle in the same shape that she was before the pregnancy.

                      I would save my money and either do an ET with your mare or plan on later looking again for the next horse of your dreams. Even though it may seem unlikely that another search will produce the right horse for you, it is probably more likely to do so than breeding a mare one time.
                      Mary Lou
                      http://www.homeagainfarm.com

                      https://www.facebook.com/HomeAgainFarmHanoverians

                      Member OMGiH I loff my mares clique

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I agree that you don't have to decide now. Ride her a few more years then decide on breeding, 13-15 is not too old to be a maiden.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          My 12 year old mare delivered her first baby this year. I sent her to the clinic to foal out because of her age and just the fact that she was a maiden. We have a very healthy colt and my mare after a couple of days is a happy mother. I'm breeding her again this year. I really spent a lot of time talking to my vet and we had a full repo exam done before we even selected a stallion.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            We had a 10YO deliver her first this year. (She had raced till age 8.) Checking a 9YO maiden (raced till age 7) for pregnancy tomorrow.
                            It's a uterus, not a clown car. - Sayyedati

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              10 is young. Our maiden mare just had her first foal at 20 this spring! We have also had maidens as old as 15 and 17.

                              I would go ahead and have a breeding soundness exam done, your vet can advise you about her reproductive health. If everything looks good, there's no reason you couldn't wait a couple more years to breeder her.
                              Fade to Grey Farm
                              Eventing, Foxhunting & Connemaras
                              *NEW* website:www.fadetogreyfarm.com

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                I have asked my vet about breeding my mare because she is 13 this year and maiden as well. My vets advice was that she personally wouldnt consider breeding after the 18year mark BUT with that said she did say that just just this past year did an AI with a 20 year old maiden mare than took fine and last I heard carried just fine and delivered a great little foal. She also said she wouldnt do live cover at that age but sees nothing wrong with AI if the mare will take and is properly monitored.
                                LILY-13yr APHA/PtHA mare**LUKE-11yr Rescue Haflinger gelding (being leased out)**ANNIE-7yr AQHA mare

                                Comment

                                • Original Poster

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Home Again Farm View Post
                                  No one can tell you with any assurance that there will be no risk for disaster if you breed your mare. The risk is quite low, but no one has a crystal ball that will show what will happen in the future and pregnancy and foaling carry very real and possibly fatal risks. I have had many, many textbook foalings. I have also lost a mare 20 hours post foaling to a twisted colon. Despite fast and expert intervention the mare could not be saved. Another possible risk is back problems from the pregnancy which could negatively impact the mare going back under saddle in the same shape that she was before the pregnancy.

                                  I would save my money and either do an ET with your mare or plan on later looking again for the next horse of your dreams. Even though it may seem unlikely that another search will produce the right horse for you, it is probably more likely to do so than breeding a mare one time.
                                  Thank you, I really appreciate your input and had never considered the possibility of a foal negatively impacting her back. I'm sure the risk is low but nevertheless if it is a possibly I do t want to risk it. Also, I'll talk with my bet, if she isn't too old to do ET at 15 or so, I'd much rather save, like you suggested, and do that. Makes a lot more sense. The selfish me wants the baby now! But the realistic me knows its not necessary to have another horse right now if I can wait.

                                  Comment

                                  • Original Poster

                                    #18
                                    Dang auto correct! I meant vet. VET

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Fifteen is definitely not likely to be too old to do an ET. Good luck with your mare, whatever you decide.

                                      Originally posted by Worldlylvr67 View Post
                                      Thank you, I really appreciate your input and had never considered the possibility of a foal negatively impacting her back. I'm sure the risk is low but nevertheless if it is a possibly I do t want to risk it. Also, I'll talk with my bet, if she isn't too old to do ET at 15 or so, I'd much rather save, like you suggested, and do that. Makes a lot more sense. The selfish me wants the baby now! But the realistic me knows its not necessary to have another horse right now if I can wait.
                                      Mary Lou
                                      http://www.homeagainfarm.com

                                      https://www.facebook.com/HomeAgainFarmHanoverians

                                      Member OMGiH I loff my mares clique

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        I have had the misfortune to have a mare slip a foal two years in a row. This mare is elderly now and has a similar biopsy result. One foal she slipped was around 10 months and the other sometime after 60 days. My mare was unconsolable after the 10 month foal slipped. I never want to go through that again. I now breed her for ET's as she has no problem getting pregnant but can't carry the foal to term. My vet said it was reasonable to try once more but I can't do it. I hate to be a neigh sayer but this is one more thing that you need to consider. I wish you good luck with your decision and whatever you decide will be right for you. ��
                                        It's not true that I had nothing on. I had the radio on.”
                                        ? Marilyn Monroe

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X