• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

TB colors?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • TB colors?

    As my mare sheds out I'm noticing quite the color change this year. She just turned 5 and this past winter her coat was much darker and healthier then before. As she's shedding out I'm noticing white hairs starting around her flanks and up over her hind quarters. She's got a few grayish mane hairs and quite a few in her tail. Is it possible that she's a roan? I'm going to have to take pictures.

  • #2
    Flank and hind quarter hairs, especially combined with the white in her tail, is very indicative of Rabicano. No Roan For all intents and purposes, Roan doesn't exist in TBs.
    ______________________________
    The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      Hmm. What is Rabicano exactly? That's a new term for me.

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        Googled it! I never heard of that before. Interesting but that does seem to fit her.

        Comment


        • #5
          Rabicano is a untestable gene, or set of genetics, that causes white hairs in the tail, even if just a few, right at the top, but can be pretty obvious, aka "skunk tail". When it puts white on the body (and if there's a lot of white in the tail, there will nearly always be white on the body), it does it sort of back to front, but it DOES stop at the shoulders.

          This is a very obvious skunk tail, aka Rabicano

          This is very extreme Rabicano moving into the body - see how it stops at the shoulders?
          ______________________________
          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #6
            My girls tail isn't like that. Her tail almost looks gray in color or like its dusty. Her mane is almost completely black except for maybe two white hairs. But the white on her rump is getting heavier (I guess that's the term to use).

            Comment


            • #7
              I have an OTTB gelding that I suspect has Sabino/Rabicano. He has white hairs throughout his coat (heaviest in his flanks) and a mild skunk tail, along with a blaze and three whites and random black dots.

              you can see one "spot" here, along with the faint markings in his tail (at this angle it looks dirty LMAO)

              His socks are sorta jaggady looking and you can see his nose spot

              One of these days I want to take better pictures and post him for confirmation since I'm not a color person by any means.

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                Mine has the same type of spotted sock and star/blaze/snip type facial marking.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Rebels, picture of your girl?

                  There is some evidence that Sabino may play a role in 'color shifting", including sort of graying out a tail.
                  ______________________________
                  The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    I'm hoping she doesn't decide to get too dirty in turnout today and I can get some decent pictures.

                    Comment


                    • #12
                      I tend to agree with JB-- it looks like a bit of rabicano. I have one mare who is a solid black bay, and she stays dark even through the summer and doesn't bleach in the sun. Her dam was by a stallion who was notorious for passing on sabino markings, but her sire's bloodlines evidently squashed the sabino genes, as she doesn't have a speck of white on her her. However, last summer into fall I began noticing little flecks of gray hairs throughout her body, just as you've described and pictured with your mare, and she also developed a bit of gray just around the dock of her tail. I'm almost certain this is the sabino trying to express itself through a bit of rabicano. I'd happily take some pictures to show you, but she's still kinda in the phase halfway between woolly mammoth and slick greyhound.

                      Comment

                      • Original Poster

                        #13
                        She's still shedding small pony sized piles of hair too. So I'm anxious to see her when she's completely shed out. It's like getting a new horse.

                        Comment


                        • #14
                          Sabino can also put ticking in the body, and if you see that on the shoulders or neck, that's likely what's going on. But it can also put it farther back, which blurs the line between Sabino and Rabicano ticking/roaning.

                          The white/gray in the tail might be Rabicano, might not, it's difficult to tell from these pictures
                          ______________________________
                          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

                          Comment


                          • #15
                            Originally posted by JB View Post
                            When it puts white on the body (and if there's a lot of white in the tail, there will nearly always be white on the body), it does it sort of back to front, but it DOES stop at the shoulders.
                            Does it always stop at the shoulders? I have a breeding stock (or whatever it's called now) APHA mare with the white hairs in the tail and the white hairs scattered within the coat. Always assumed rabicano. However...the white hairs in her coat are on on her neck as well, and she has white hairs interspersed within her mane.
                            "Dogs give and give and give. Cats are the gift that keeps on grifting." –Bradley Trevor Greive

                            Comment


                            • #16
                              Yep, pretty much. If you're seeing white on/in front of the shoulders then you can assume that's from Sabino.
                              ______________________________
                              The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

                              Comment

                              • Original Poster

                                #17
                                Looks like Sabino it is. As she continues to shed out she's got white hairs on her neck now too. Will these continue to pop up more densely as she ages?

                                Comment


                                • #18
                                  Probably both. The flank area is likely Rabicano, but the white on the neck is Sabino. She may get more roany as she ages, but it's not a given. It's probably going to be much less noticeable in the Winter coat than the sleek Summer coat.
                                  ______________________________
                                  The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

                                  Comment

                                  • Original Poster

                                    #19
                                    Well it will be interesting to watch that's for sure :-)

                                    I'm just smitten with this horse so I don't care if she turns green with purple pokadots.

                                    Comment


                                    • #20
                                      I'll have to see if I can dig out old pictures of a TB a friend owned... He had the white rabicano hair throughout his entire coat, with the exception of his head and legs. They called him a roan, but I knew better... He had no other sabino markers - is there proof rabicano stops at the shoulders? This horse had no difference in the amount of white hair from shoulder to neck.

                                      I'd say your girl is rabicano.
                                      Not all who wander are lost.

                                      Comment

                                      Working...
                                      X