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Gray or Not Gray? Z's Colt

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  • #21
    honestly after seeing some guys that were labeled a non grey color well into their teens when they started to grey - i think the only thing to say is "we shall see "

    remember that a grey horse is born as a non grey color - so chestnut, bay, black, etc. and only grey as a "after effect" so the fact he looks chestnut really doesn't mean much

    cute guy tho!

    anyone know what the naming protocol of 12Z and 13Z represents?

    12Z is a fantastic colt btw


    • #22
      True, they are born a "regular" color, but in the vast, vast majority of situations, the foal coat color/tone/shade is very adult-like, as opposed to foal-like. In other words, bay foals are born with full black points, as opposed to mousy/fawn-y, blacks are born black as opposed to mousy/grayish, and chestnuts are born with chestnut lower legs as opposed to the very very pale, sometimes almost white, lower legs. The problem we're having here is we haven't seen a good, dried off picture of the whole body
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      • #23
        Originally posted by mbm View Post
        anyone know what the naming protocol of 12Z and 13Z represents?

        12Z is a fantastic colt btw
        It's standard in the TB industry to call the foal "[Year of Birth] Dam name" until the horse is officially named. So until 2006, Zenyatta was known as "04 Vertigineux." The 12Z and 13Z is just shorthand for "2012 Zenyatta" and "2013 Zenyatta."
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        • #24
          I vote grey by the looks of his muzzle and his ears. Of course I'm still hoping that my bay C.Quito yearling sheds out with a few grey hairs this year.... but it's a tiny, tiny hope.
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          • #25
            My money (after having had numerous grey foals) is on chestnut. I've never seen a baby turn grey without at least a couple of white hairs around the eyes in the beginning.

            As for blacks (had several of those, too), they are commonly mousey grey to begin with and then get dark when they shed out their baby coats.

            This year's first baby for us (filly) has a ton of white hairs around her eyes, so no question about her.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Dawn J-L View Post

              Has anyone here ever seen a chestnut that grayed out that was born with orange-pink eye rims? Or a chestnut that stayed chestnut that was born with black rimmed eyes? I'd be interested to know because it has been 100% reliable in my experience.
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              • #27
                I really don't have an opinion one way or another, but I've always thought it was interesting that Royal Diamond still didn't have any hint whatsoever of being a grey even at 3+ years old. Here's the proof:

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                • Original Poster

                  New photo posted of the other side of the colt's head. He might have some eye liner on that side, and the muzzle looks more.



                  • #29
                    Lots more pics. Nothing giving any better hint at grey or not grey, but certainly heartwarming! Z seems to be a very attentive mom.

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                    • #30
                      Oh my gosh these pictures are so adorable!


                      • #31
                        I have to say the softness in Zenyatta's eyes is so lovely to see. She is clearly a happy momma! Baby is adorable.


                        • #32
                          IMO the photo link in post 29 is the best of all! And Tiffani, I agree - this mare has the softest eye I think I've ever seen - in all her pictures. There are couple shots of 12Z that are close enough - he seems to have that as well.
                          We don't get less brave; we get a bigger sense of self-preservation........


                          • #33
                            I vote grey...he is just too chestnut for a new born chestnut to me. Most chestnuts that I've known didn't look like that until they shedded their foal coat.
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by dressagetraks View Post
                              New photo posted of the other side of the colt's head. He might have some eye liner on that side, and the muzzle looks more.

                              These legs make me highly suspicious of gray
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                              • #35
                                More recent photos of 13Z.

                                Any updated opinions, color gurus?


                                I'm betting on NOT grey.
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                                • #36
                                  He doesn't show any signs of graying out to my eye but there is still tons of time. I had a horse who was a light bay shed out to be nearly jet black as a two year old.
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                                  • #37
                                    Lower legs look much too light for gray.
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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by mbm View Post
                                      anyone know what the naming protocol of 12Z and 13Z represents?

                                      12Z is a fantastic colt btw
                                      Looks like they have announced that 12Z's official name is Cozmic One. I love it!
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                                      • #39
                                        I vote chestnut. I had a Tapit gelding out of a bay mare who was decidedly chestnut his 4-5 year with no signs of going gray even now that he's 6. Gosh he's a big boy!



                                        • #40
                                          No dog in this fight, but Wow!, he is striking! And what an ass on that boy If he puts that engine to good use, he should be one fast dude.

                                          It will be exciting to watch him grow up, regardless of what color he winds up being
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