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Arabian Stallion Suggestions for a TB Mare

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  • #81
    Aslan PF - #64 Leading Sire per USEF

    Could be that I have one of his babies. His owner is wonderful to work with, IMO. His breeding is Sidi-Brahim and Fame lines. Similar in structure to Shah Azim. Brooke Carlson - 408-779-1080

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    • #82
      Denise,

      It was outside Orlando FL but I didn't meet the owner just the rider, who mentioned the sire. And agree on how a great walk and canter are so much more important, although of course I love a great trot as well.

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      • #83
        I haven't read this entire thread, so apologies if someone already mentioned this. When I was considering breeding my TB mare to an Arabian, I found lots of nice nice stallions at texasarabianbreeders.com. Race-bred, but definitely athletic and looked like they could sire some nice sport horses too.

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          #84
          Thanks again to everyone for all the suggestions. I have contacted some of the stallion owners who don't have websites to obtain more information. Hopefully I can come to a decision shortly, although I have a lot of bloodlines floating around in my head.

          Another question...I do have an Anglo Mare, sire is a TB and dam is:
          http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mattamara

          I already have the breeding to an Arabian set up for this spring for this mare. It was a breeding I had purchased a few years back. However, next year, if I am shooting for a competitive sporthorse would you breed to a TB or an Arabian?

          Also, just to make sure I understand this correctly, the resulting foal could only be bred to another Anglo to keep it within registry rules??
          Last edited by Sporthorse Shop; Mar. 6, 2013, 02:18 PM. Reason: added another question

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          • #85
            I would definitely look at Persiflage, British anglo via frozen if he suited your mare. I believe you can breed the Anglo back thoroughbred again and still be eligible for the AHA registry as an Anglo. But you could not do thoroughbred again in the next generation.

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            • #86
              The link to your Anglo mares pedigree is quite nice! Can not go wrong with a Polish/CMK! You are fortunate that you can in fact go either way using the Arabian or the TB stallion. Providing you do your homework in regards to the ancestorial athletic traits/success, and it appears that you will, I am sure you will chose wisely and be happy with that choice.

              Denise Gainey
              Proud owners of HG Esquire+, Dressage at Lexington Reserve Champion, Regional & National Winning,Purebred Arabian Sport Horse Stallion

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              • #87
                Double-check with AHA, but I think the rule for Anglos is 25% - 75% Arab blood.

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                • #88
                  Yes, that's the correct rule ^^
                  Straight from the AHA rule book

                  1. The horse is a cross between: a purebred Arabian registered with either the Arabian Horse Association or the Canadian Arabian Horse Registry; a purebred Thoroughbred registered with The Jockey Club or approved foreign source registry recognized by the Jockey Club; or an Anglo-Arabian registered with the Anglo-Arabian Horse Registry or an Anglo-Arabian registered with a verifiable foreign Anglo-Arabian registry where the foreign Anglo meets the requirements of the AHA Anglo-Arabian (103.2 and 103.3).

                  2. The horse has no less than 25% Arabian blood and no more than 75% Arabian blood. (If the horse has more than 75% Arabian blood, but would otherwise qualify for registration in the Anglo-Arabian Horse Registry, it is eligible for registration in the Half-Arabian Horse Registry.)

                  3. The horse results from one of the following breeding combinations;
                  - Thoroughbred stallion to purebred Arabian mare.
                  - Purebred Arabian stallion to Thoroughbred mare.
                  - Anglo-Arabian stallion to Anglo-Arabian mare.
                  - Purebred Arabian stallion to Anglo-Arabian mare.
                  - Anglo-Arabian stallion to purebred Arabian mare.
                  - Thoroughbred stallion to Anglo-Arabian mare.
                  - Anglo-Arabian stallion to Thoroughbred mare.

                  To me, the crosses that I have in bold are the most ideal. And to clarify, the Anglo to Anglo crosses are all F1 Anglos, not F2. (50%A,50%TB) x (50%A,50%TB)
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                  Raven Beauty - '08 JC Thoroughbred mare
                  Zeecandoit - '07 JC Thoroughbred gelding
                  DBT My Dark Blue - '07 AHA Arabian Mare

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                  • #89
                    I would breed the Anglo mare to an Anglo stallion or a Thoroughbred stallion.
                    The Inverted Y
                    Thoroughbred and Anglo Arabian Sporthorses
                    2005 and 2007 USEF Breeder of the Year.
                    www.allanglos.net

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                    • #90
                      Spanish Arabians

                      Over time I think Spanish Arabians have been know for jumping...it is part of Spains inspection process for breeding stallions. Stanley Ranch has consistently produced hunters and jumpers. http://www.stanleyranch.com/ If I were looking at Arabians to be bred for sport horse purposes I would look for ++ and // after the name. These Arabians are well proven in performance. They may not have been hunters or jumpers but they have proven their movement and trainability. If you do a search on "Arabian jumpers" there is a society listed for that interest. Sadly today you need to be very diligent looking for Arabians that are conformed to be performance horses as the current fashion in halter arabians has nothing to do with performance. They are breeding for a very adolecent looking arabian with a very round shallow body to make the legs appear very long...it is all about looking tall and elegant. They have straight shoulders, shallow bodies, very long necks that come out of the shoulder very high...more like saddlebreds...they will have straight long upright pasterns...their table top flat topline comes with a pelvis tilted with the topline. They have become a charicature of what an Arabian should be. It is better in the Arabian Sport Horse breeding but you still must be a careful shopper. There have been many good suggestions but still look at stallions who have DONE something. Gaits in Arabians are an issue. They can have a good walk but have a trot without elasticity and a spronging canter, mostly because they have not been bred to have a soft elastic back with lateral flexibility. I get very excited to see video of a Arabian who free canters and trots like a sport horse using their back and neck. It is very hard to see video taken for someone who needs to see the quality of the gaits because someone is always chasing them with a bag on a stick to make them look snorty and completely wrong for your purposes. Be careful if you see a video that isn't a video that just shows pose after pose but no movement. For a hunter you do not want the posty stiff legged movement that seems so popular with halter arabs. Their noses higher than their polls and their backs upside down. The right Arab stallion is out there for you but be a good shopper. PatO

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                      • #91
                        Ohadi Ben Rabba

                        I think he is gone now but my was he fabulous
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3npMZXkSFcc

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                        • #92
                          Moves incredibly

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

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                          • #93
                            This is a fun video put together by my son when he was a film making enthusiast.

                            Enjoy.

                            Regards,
                            Peter

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgehdYNpnEs

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                            • #94
                              So a few questions.... Does anyone know whether Bonaparte N would be eligible? He is listed as an Anglo Arabian but he is 1/4 Shagya. He's only available frozen in the US but is also Hanoverian and Holsteiner approved.

                              Also does anyone know much about NV Congo? I've seen one of his sons (a full arabian) eventing at Preliminary. Not a big guy but he can jump. I've heard he produces horses that can jump but can't find much else about him other than that he is black. He's a 97 so shouldn't be to terribly old. I heard he was in GA at one point.
                              The rebel in the grey shirt

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                              • #95
                                The rule says "an Anglo-Arabian registered with a verifiable foreign Anglo-Arabian registry where the foreign Anglo meets the requirements of the AHA Anglo-Arabian (103.2 and 103.3)"

                                So, I would say no, as Bonaparte would not meet the requirements.

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                                • #96
                                  Nope, Bonaparte N doesn't meet the requirements, because I looked up and asked the AHA about it since I was hoping to breed an Anglo foal by him. Really a shame =/
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                                  Raven Beauty - '08 JC Thoroughbred mare
                                  Zeecandoit - '07 JC Thoroughbred gelding
                                  DBT My Dark Blue - '07 AHA Arabian Mare

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                                  • #97
                                    What a disservice to the breed. The French have perfected the Anglo. Why in the world would the AHA reinvent the wheel?
                                    The rebel in the grey shirt

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                                    • #98
                                      Because Shagyas are not Arabians. They are a completely different breed despite the name.

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                                      • #99
                                        Because the AHA management and most of the membership does not understand the Anglo-Arabian breed. AHA's Anglo studbook does not even record the TB ancestry of the AAs that it registers --which is a problem for those wanting to present their AAs to WB registries. To AHA, the AA is just a special case of the "half-Arab".
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                                        • KB Omega Fahim++++// 4 time national FEI SHN Champion and 4 time FEI USDF Allbreeds Champion. I think he is close to 15.2 and is very athletic.

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