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  • #81
    You are not reading this right. You don't need an expensive mare to breed an ammy horse. You need a mare that you like enough that when her traits come through in the foal, you are going to be happy. Then you find a stallion (one of many that are out there, and not expensive, btw they had him listed as WB prices for breeding, at one point), that has a great personality and the rest of the package. Regardless of breed.
    According to you, you take a mare that you don't like and breed it to anything with a nice personality and under saddle and that is a good idea.....Really???

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    • #82
      Originally posted by pinecone View Post
      This.

      The title of this thread is probably misleading because the OP titled the thread "would you breed to a draft cross?" when she was really asking about a specific draft cross stallion. The negative responses are about the draft/paint stallion in the original post, it's not negativity about breeding to drafts or draft crosses in general.

      I don't see this thread as bashing draft crosses. I see people saying the OP's draft/Paint stallion isn't breeding quality, but that's not people being "snooty" it's people being honest.
      ^^^and this ^^^

      I love some draft crosses but that stallion in the OP is not breeding worthy. Nice gelding for a Pony Club mount or something like that but not to cover any mare TB or otherwise.......
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      • #83
        I saw a horse being ridden in a double bridle. I did not - at least in the video - see a 3rd level horse.
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        • #84
          I think you are wrong MBN I commented based on my experience watching a family member deal with a beautiful but strong willed draft cross that in the end did not work out.

          And I dont think it is snotty for people tp point out that anytime you are dealing with breeding a hybird to an un related in type and pedigree mare you may need up with any combination of (bad and good) parts--that in the least you need to breed to a stallion that will stamp the attribute you are looking for or you may end up with a 1600 pound quirky horse.
          (And FWIW I dont know anything about dressage but that particular horse is not a good mover---and I there are good draft cross movers -he is not one.)

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          • #85
            So breeding a poor temperment to an unkown stock horse cross for "dressage" sounds like a good idea because the stallion packs around his owner at lower level and doesnt act vicey?

            This qualifies as a good decision these days?

            mbm you didnt just CHOOSE a pony for your mare you took your time and chose a very nice stallion. I think that is all people are asking here. If you go with something non-warmblood there are so many more out there that qualify.
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            • #86
              It does not cost any less to breed and raise a subpar foal than it does to breed and raise a quality one. Many extremely nice mares are offered for free lease right here on this forum and some of the best stallions in the country can be had for $1000 or less through stallion auctions and early breeding season specials. Settling for less is a penny wise, pound foolish situation and the horse is always the one who ends up paying the price for our poor decisions.
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              • #87
                Originally posted by mbm View Post
                so am i reading you folks correctly? either people need to breed the best of the best (aka horses that cost a lot of dough) OR they must settle for the rejects that are at slaughter plants?

                really?

                while i have no dog in this fight, when i watch the videos of the stallion i see a horse that is trying his heart out, whose temperament appears to be very good and who appears to be trained to 3rd level.....

                those all appear to be traits that most ammies would really appreciate.

                so my guess is most folks are attacking this one horse not because of who he is but because folks don't like his owner.
                From my perspective as a breeder, yes, he seems to be a nice guy. But would I breed one of my mares to him? No. I do think he'd make a perfectly lovely gelding for someone.

                The choices aren't between buying a rescue horse or a high priced warmblood. There are plenty of nice horses in between those extremes.

                Fact is, there are also plenty of horses out there that just shouldn't be bred, no matter how nice their temperments are.
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                • #88
                  This. And I would again question breeding the mare. If it is "snooty" to only breed mares that represent traits that I value and want to reproduce (especially temperament), then I guess I am snooty. I can live with that description.

                  Originally posted by SportArab View Post
                  From my perspective as a breeder, yes, he seems to be a nice guy. But would I breed one of my mares to him? No. I do think he'd make a perfectly lovely gelding for someone.

                  The choices aren't between buying a rescue horse or a high priced warmblood. There are plenty of nice horses in between those extremes.

                  Fact is, there are also plenty of horses out there that just shouldn't be bred, no matter how nice their temperments are.
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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by mbm View Post
                    so am i reading you folks correctly? either people need to breed the best of the best (aka horses that cost a lot of dough) OR they must settle for the rejects that are at slaughter plants?

                    really?

                    while i have no dog in this fight, when i watch the videos of the stallion i see a horse that is trying his heart out, whose temperament appears to be very good and who appears to be trained to 3rd level.....

                    those all appear to be traits that most ammies would really appreciate.

                    so my guess is most folks are attacking this one horse not because of who he is but because folks don't like his owner.
                    A double bridle (or a flying change) does not a third level horse make.


                    I have no clue about the owner and I HAVE bred to a 1/2 Perch 1/2 TB
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                    • #90
                      I was going to say that some very nice horses have come from 1/2 TB x 1/2 draft crosses with TB mares. They are especially popular in the hunt field. Perch x TB is one of the best.

                      There is a stallion in Canada named Cozy Commander who has produced UL event horses and is part draft, IIRC.
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                      • #91
                        I may be new to the whole breeding thing, but here is my two cents...

                        Breed for quality, because despite your good intentions to keep a horse forever ... Life happens and you may be the on contributing to the over population of unwanted horses.

                        Watched the video.. Noticed what everyone else did... The loose donkey in the corner. The stallion I agree would make a great amateur horse.. BUT he looks like he is beig forced Into that frame (maybe the reason for the double bridle eh?), he isn't using his back at all. If this was meant to be a promo video, they shoul have spent a little more time on presentation. The flapping saddle pad that is too big for his short back is flapping and vet distracting, the rider is way too tall for him and makes him look like a pony - not do her riding abilities make him look any better.

                        Don't do it.

                        I also wondered why you almost booked to redwine... He's a hunter stallion... Though more deserving match for your mare.

                        Now onto the topic of "snooty", yes I suppose I woul fall in this category as well, because I breed or quality and expect a high level from myself and my horses, if they can't produce it they find another job. Anyone think this attitude by the poster calling those who care "snooty" is the reason that this country can't seem to compete with Europe in young horse quality... Because they care about their breeding quality and here it's... Uh ... "Oh well this one is mediocre!"
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                        • #92
                          Don't. Plenty of good tempered approved stallions available.
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                          • #93
                            So when is the OP going to come back and tell us she is a different Allie, one who owns a poorly tempermented, well bred WB, that she was going to breed to Quarterback or Redwine - or you know some other recognizable name.

                            And NOT the the Allie (Vetch / Helinski) who owns the Stallion know as "Lance" or the other long lists of names that have been used or stolen and used for this Canadian bred draft cross.
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                            • #94
                              Originally posted by omare View Post
                              I suspect there are pedigreed warmblood stallions with a track record for improving and stamping temperment that would be a much better match.

                              The problem i have seen with draft crosses is that you can get the nonammie friendly brain you were trying to breed-out but now packaged in a powerful draft body (all 1600 pounds). You could end up with a duplicate of your mare's brain --in a bigger body.

                              My experience with drafts has been not so nice. They were huge, hot headed horses who had bad footing, meaning they tripped a lot.

                              I don't like drafts or draft crosses for sport horses, but mostly because of my experience with them. Breeding to good horses is risky but breeding to a mutt or creating a mutt is even riskier. Lets not breed horses for slaughter. We need to create breeding restrictions in the USA. Maybe a little OT but how do Europeans contain breeding? They don't have the issues we have, correct? Why?

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                              • #95
                                Originally posted by JumperFyre View Post
                                Maybe a little OT but how do Europeans contain breeding? They don't have the issues we have, correct? Why?
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                                • #96
                                  Originally posted by JWB View Post
                                  They eat their mistakes. Literally.
                                  Well other than that! Ugh makes me gag a little. (Vegetarian here)

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                                  • #97
                                    Originally posted by JWB View Post
                                    They eat their mistakes. Literally.
                                    We simply fill up rescues with them ....


                                    I give the very patient horse that is standing in the corner (I like to assume tied there) a ton of credit. This horse is aimed right towards him and he does not seem to mind (to much).

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                                    • #98
                                      Originally posted by JWB View Post
                                      They eat their mistakes. Literally.
                                      Yup
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                                      • #99
                                        "SporthorsesRus" was the owner that falsified the stallion's pedigree and was standing it at stud as a Polish Warmblood (and when outed on this BB didn't seem to think that it was a big deal).

                                        I would have absolutely nothing to do with a SO like that, even if the horse was suitable to breed, which it really is not.

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                                        • MBM, in your quest to be open-minded, did you breed your nice Wolkentanz mare to a pony that is as all-around unimpressive as this draft cross? I highly doubt it.

                                          Do you even WATCH the video? No, he's not hare-brained nuts or anything, but he's about as unspectacular as anyone could ever ask for. His conformation is distinctly "enh" in a few areas, and he's definitely not trained to 3rd, unless you mean "can do a flying change when he's lucky."

                                          And what part of that BOUNCING rider made you think this stallion looks "easy to ride?"

                                          People sometimes see what they want to see, I guess.


                                          Also, count me in the group that seriously doubts any of this OP was sincere. Anyone who would put THIS specific draft cross stallion on the same list as Redwine, both to breed a Sandro Hit mare, is either lying or just basically confused.

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