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    #21
    Originally posted by sid View Post
    Sorry, haven't had time to read all the replies. What is the draft cross? What is the breed parentage of the "cross" you are thinking about breeding to..and the parentage of the mare to be bred? That is critical in this sort of decision.
    Mare is by Sandro Hit out of an EM by Feiner Stern The stallion I was looking at http://youtu.be/x59XG0-1lnM

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    • #22
      Originally posted by foxyhorse View Post
      Mare is by Sandro Hit out of an EM by Feiner Stern The stallion I was looking at http://youtu.be/x59XG0-1lnM
      Really. Are you for real and not a troll? Because I cannot in my wildest imagination understand why anyone with a mare of such fine breeding would be considering breeding her to any draft cross - much less the Mutt at issue. I mean, really. I smell a troll.
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      • #23
        Originally posted by Sonesta View Post
        Really. Are you for real and not a troll? Because I cannot in my wildest imagination understand why anyone with a mare of such fine breeding would be considering breeding her to any draft cross - much less the Mutt at issue. I mean, really. I smell a troll.
        Yeah, with everything else that's already gone on with that stallion, I had to wonder whether this thread was just started for some free advertising.

        That being said, if that WAS the initial intention of the thread...it's gone a bit south!
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        • #24
          Originally posted by Daventry View Post
          Yeah, with everything else that's already gone on with that stallion, I had to wonder whether this thread was just started for some free advertising.

          That being said, if that WAS the initial intention of the thread...it's gone a bit south!
          Well that would explain it.
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            #25
            Honestly I had no idea about the thread on here regarding him. I have watched the stallion since he came to my barn about 6 months ago, and I have to say he is a delightful horse. Yes I have my glass of wine and I am almost half way through the train wreck. I know the owner and am surprised to see she got herself in such a mess. I am someone who is looking for something different, I love my euro WB's but nothing ventured nothing gained right?

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            • #26
              Love Concerto Grosso... I bred my mare to him this year. Rosemarie was great to work with and my mare caught on the first try. He seems to be extremely consistent in producing great minds and movement. I have seen several of his older offspring being sold as dressage horses.

              I would not breed to the stallion you listed based on the stallion owner's lies alone. Many great stallion owners with proven producers who will be happy to work with you.

              And I have seen plenty of very hot drafts, bit of a misconception that they are so quiet.

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              • #27
                That stallion is a Paint, Draft cross, not a TB cross so that is the first strike against him. His gaits leave a lot to be desired, and from the video, his conformation doesn't look great either. IMO, he needs to be scheduled for gelding, ASAP.

                Your mare has a fabulous pedigree, breed her to a stallion who compliments her.

                Lastly, as another poster said, Drafts don't all have wonderful dispositions. In fact the drafts I've worked with were all sweethearts, UNTIL you started asking something of them. Then they were experts on how to use their bulk against you. Work ethic was not standard equipment.
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                  #28
                  I like the draft crosses, and I think there is something to be said for the second and third generation horses out there. IMO a lot of the crosses we see out there are f1 results of non selective breeders. I know there are a few people now selectively breeding them. It may be a fun experiment to see what you can do with a top quality mare back on a half draft stallion? It wasn't my first choice last year I tried 4 cycles with frozen semen 2times with Rotspon and twice with Quarterback Not knocking frozen I love it but not for this mare

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                  • #29
                    Draft crosses in my experience are so highly variable that if you want one you're better off buying one already on the ground rather than breeding one yourself. At least that way you know what you're getting.

                    You're not likely to improve on your mare with this breeding. If you're going to spend money on a stud fee, may as well spend it on a sire that will improve or at the very least preserve your mare's quality.

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                    • #30
                      A friend of mine had a 1/4 draft stallion that I adored. Loved his foals, too.

                      I do not particularly love the stallion in your video, but if you're curious about the addition of the draft blood, I know some people who have done it well.

                      I do love F1-4 crosses as a buyer and rider, and find that they have a different brain...which happens to suit me very well. I particularly love the draft with TB and QH. Paint always seems to add spookiness, but that may be anecdotal.

                      Best of luck!

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by foxyhorse View Post
                        I like the draft crosses, and I think there is something to be said for the second and third generation horses out there. IMO a lot of the crosses we see out there are f1 results of non selective breeders. I know there are a few people now selectively breeding them. It may be a fun experiment to see what you can do with a top quality mare back on a half draft stallion? It wasn't my first choice last year I tried 4 cycles with frozen semen 2times with Rotspon and twice with Quarterback Not knocking frozen I love it but not for this mare

                        Frozen can be finicky but AI with a good fresh cooled stallion is usually simple. I had one mare who could never catch with frozen but was always super easy with cooled.

                        So many better options.....
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                        • #32
                          I helped saddle break two 75% tb 25% percheron crosses one year. The mare could almost pass for an Alla'Czar baby (though still a bit coarse). The gelding looked like a beautiful WB from the shoulder back (though a BIG one), but had a stubby draft neck and head. Both lovely movers, the gelding especially was quite athletic.

                          Moral of the story ? Two horses with similar breeding and COMPLETELY different types. I'd buy one from the sucker who took a chance and lucked out, but no way in hell I'd try it myself. Adding in the melting pot of warmblood genes and its a fugly waiting to happen. You have ZERO ability to predict type.

                          I'm going to be the a-hole that points out that if you don't already know this, you should not be breeding. It would be an irresponsible breeding decision. Step back and educate yourself, or buy the horse you want.

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                          • #33
                            It seems like a huge reach to go from some of the best of the best to the grade stallion at the end of the barn just because you had trouble with frozen.
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                            • #34
                              After reading the tye dye thread, I also think that OP needs to tune up her crazy liar radar if the stallion is still owned by sporthorserus. You really missed the boat on this one !

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                              • #35
                                We currently have one with us for my daughter to break and bring along for her owner. She's out of a TB mare by a Clyde/TB cross. WHAT A DOLL! Almost black in color and very, very sensitive and willing. This year she is four, and has come from absolutely no contact with humans in September, to cantering lines and hacking quietly. What a lovely citizen.

                                I know they definitely vary, but this one's really nice.
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by foxyhorse View Post
                                  I like the draft crosses, and I think there is something to be said for the second and third generation horses out there. IMO a lot of the crosses we see out there are f1 results of non selective breeders. I know there are a few people now selectively breeding them. It may be a fun experiment to see what you can do with a top quality mare back on a half draft stallion? It wasn't my first choice last year I tried 4 cycles with frozen semen 2times with Rotspon and twice with Quarterback Not knocking frozen I love it but not for this mare
                                  If you keep the result, forever, regardless. If not, there is a good chance the foal will get a ride up here to Canada. There are enough crap horses out there without breeding with a high chance of failure.
                                  And honestly, the fact that you picked out that stallion as a possibility means that you are either a troll or you need to learn a ton about dressage and breeding before you breed. And that is not meant to be rude. You are way off the mark in terms of picking a stallion for your mare. So if you are serious, and not a troll, I would suggest that you find a reputable breeder to help you.

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                                  • #37
                                    I think you can find a far nicer draft or tb/draft stallion to compliment your mare than this stallion. His gaits are mediocre at best, to be honest if I hadn't read the thread first and seen what his supposed breeding cross is I would have thought him a pony. While he might be a good minded stud, he is not stallion quality in gaits or conformation.
                                    While I agree with many of the posters here that there are GOV studs who pass on stellar temperaments who would compliment your mare and improve her gaits, she is your mare and you can chose who you want to breed to her. I do think that this stallions type is really a trainwreck. I like the lighter draft crosses but they have to start with quality on both sides.

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                                    • #38
                                      Ok, let's forget about who this stallion is and who owns him, etc. and let's just look at the horse in front of us..... I didn't see any gaits that I would want passed on, never mind the complete lack of suspension. Then you add the heavy front end (head, neck and shoulder) and you wonder why this boy still has his testicles. The rider certainly isn't doing this horse any favors, either.....

                                      So I tend to agree with Sonesta that nobody in their right mind would take a very well bred mare to a horse like that.....
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                                      • #39
                                        To answer your original question: I'm not a breeder, but just watching the video tells me the horse isn't breeding worthy. He may be a nice boy,but compare his looks and performance record to the stallions in the Marin Co. auction, for instance, and they are in different planes of existence. Unfortunately, from your responses so far, I'm not sure you are listening to the good advice provided here.

                                        Side comment: Are my eyes fooling me or are they riding this horse in an arena (Jan 1 video) with a loose horse in it? Does that not seem a bit dangerous?

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                                        • #40
                                          The more I read the OP's continued comments, the more I am convinced the OP is the owner of this mutt stallion.
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