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Choosing a Registry - RPSI vs. BWP??

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  • Choosing a Registry - RPSI vs. BWP??

    I am breeding my mare this year for a 2014 foal, and am thinking ahead (about everything!) to which registry I would want to go with.

    My mare is registered Oldenburg, the stallion is licensed RPSI and BWP.

    I am leaning towards RPSI based on what I have read here about user-friendliness, the fees, and the distance (if the same farm has an inspection next year). Plus I superficially would prefer to name after the stallion's first letter than "O" for 2014...

    So, can you experienced breeders weigh in with your opinions and experiences, including if I overlooked any other options? I am located in northeast PA if that is of any help.

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    I have not dealt with the BWP so can't comment there. I have used RPSI and found them as you put it to be very user friendly.
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    • #3
      I have dealt with the BWP and would recommend RPSI.
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      • #4
        I can agree that RPSI is user friendly!
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        • #5
          I am kind of in a similar position of choosing which registry to use with my approved Selle Francais mare. I have not solved it but I have a limited number of registries that come into my area for inspections. There is a limit on how far I will haul foals to inspections and a limit to haow far I would haul a pregnant mare to an approval. ISR/Old, RPSI, Swed are here nearly every year in Minnesota or Wisconsin. Hanoverians usually every other year. BWP, sBs, Dutch and Holsteiners I don't think have been closer than Illinios. As approved SF she is not I think approvable with RPSI Book I, Holsteiners, or Swed if for example. So in the end I think ISR/OLD makes sense...but I still am doing research. If I did not care about producing breeding stock it would be a lot simpler. Irish Draught Horse Society is simpler as all offspring of approved stallions are inspectable as Irish Draught Sport Horses but the inspections are fewer but they hit every region every so many years and there is no requirement they must be presented as foals or yearlings.

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            #6
            I am lucky in that the RPSI inspection is 1 hour, 20 minutes away and the BWP is 1 hour 40 minutes away.

            Some people have contacted me via PM and said that RPSI is not really looked upon as being a good/selective registry... thoughts?

            Another person suggested seeing if OLD NA would take the stud, which they might since he is registered OLD, just not licensed...

            So confused!

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            • #7
              My thoughts on RPSI - It tells me NOTHING about the quality of the horse. Pretty much I can expect to pay $x for an AHHA registered youngster (give or take a little).
              There are RPSI youngsters that I wouldn't pay $1000 for and some that I'd love to have but could never afford. I will look at an RPSI horse, but "being RPSI registered" doesn't tell me much of anything about the horse except that it has documented pedigree. The same can be said for BWP and a number of other very inclusive studbooks.

              Here's what I love about RPSI - Assuming I know a good horse (and let's just assume for the sake of the thread that I do) if for some other reason I can't get my horse registered with AHS, AHHA (due to distance, using an outside stallion, or other logistical stumbling blocks) I can still get full European papers. A very nice RPSI registered filly can eventually be inspected for inclusion into the mare books of the more prestegious registries. BWP has the same benefits and accepts a similar quality of horses.

              It bears repeating that there are VERY NICE HORSES in both registries. For a gelding, breed registry does little once the horse gets it's foal papers. For a mare, so long as the horse can eventually get into the stud books you WANT to use, it doesn't really matter either. The nonsense about the "prestige" of the brand is ridiculous to me as long as the registry used will not limit the future breeding options of the horse. I know that with RPSI, GOV and BWP the horses remain eligible for use in other studbooks.

              If you use American registries, you may well be excluded from this. I don't know enough about OLD-NA to know how it's accepted in other registries, but it is not a European registry, or even associated with the German Oldenburg Verband (GOV). Of course if you produce a "future gelding" it doesn't really matter anyhow. Around here, Old-NA is considered about the same in terms of prestige anyhow.

              With any registry you throw out here you're going to find people who say "mine is better than theirs" for whatever reason. Not sure where it comes from since most of the open bloodlines registries share very heavily. There are some that are more closed and I would consider a "breed" such as Trakehners, Holsteiners, Hanoverians, etc, but for non-specific warmblood registries (GOV, RPSI, BWP, Z), the horses can vary wildly in terms of type and ability regardless of their brand. Look beyond the brand and judge the horse in front of you on it's own merrits. They all have the building blocks to produce some fabulous horses.
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                As an aside, RPSI will register anything. They have Book II (the half brand horses)
                I'm strictly referring to Book I/full branded horses.
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                  Originally posted by JWB View Post
                  As an aside, RPSI will register anything. They have Book II (the half brand horses)
                  I'm strictly referring to Book I/full branded horses.
                  And that is because they follow the German Rules. Book II is pretty similar to a COP, which the AHS, AHHA, GOV, KWPN etc will all issue too. Book II or a COP is just n documentation of the horse's breeding information. It is not to be confused with a Breeding APPROVAL.
                  Lots of folks like to twist and distort that fact.
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                  • #10
                    I used to think somewhat like JWB about RPSI. After attending a couple inspections and seeing what is done and how, I'm impressed! And that's not easy to do with me...I'm getting old and jaded . They "are" obligated to record anything presented, and I do think therein lies the rub and the confusion. There are stallion owners out there that tout that their stallion is approved RPSI - neglecting to elaborate that the stallion is RECORDED in Book II .

                    So, given the choice, go RPSI. BWP? Not so much .
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Equine Reproduction View Post
                      So, given the choice, go RPSI. BWP? Not so much .
                      From the mouth of a stallion owner who's had horses in both registries...

                      If you're into a particular breed, stick with your breed registry. If you are breeding non-specific warmblood sport horses, pick a registry that will not limit your stock's future options and more importantly won't make your eyes twitc or hair fall out.
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                        #12
                        Well, after all this, I am even more sure that I am going to go RPSI. Now, off to research inspection stuff!!

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                        • #13
                          Yes, RPSI.
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                            columbus--RPSI approved my registered Selle Francais mare book I and her foal was a gold premium (so no bias there)--I don't know where you heard they won't do SF mares/foals? Also, I'm pretty sure I could have presented the mare to any of the books you mention? I know I talked to Hanoverian and GOV, and I think I read we were good with Holstein, but no close inspection. Is yours approved SF, but registered something else? I could just be confused too!

                            I do know some FEI dressage riders with strong breed bias, but they tend to want KWPN or Hanoverian (neither of which you are looking at).

                            OP, what is the baby daddy, what is your sport of choice, and which Oldenburg are you referencing--GOV?
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                              Originally posted by sixpoundfarm View Post
                              And that is because they follow the German Rules. Book II is pretty similar to a COP, which the AHS, AHHA, GOV, KWPN etc will all issue too. Book II or a COP is just n documentation of the horse's breeding information. It is not to be confused with a Breeding APPROVAL.
                              Lots of folks like to twist and distort that fact.
                              just reinforcing this. Book II RPSI is like ISR book is to Oldenburg...an actual lower book. Just like some folks dont care if they get an ISR brand instead of an Olenburg brand, some RPSI folks don't care if they are in Book I or II, and yes they do have a different brand. The Book II has a half brand.
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                                One of my friends had an option of RPSI or BWP for her geldings, so she registered one in each book. she later stated that the rpsi gelding would have been worth more with a BWP passport and she regretted that she had gone RPSI at the urging of the sire's owner. I do not know if that is the case, only what that breeder felt.

                                I breed Belgian warmbloods so I cannot speak without bias, as I think I know what that "brand" and score at inspection means. I do have one zweibrucker mare and have found the registrar at RPSI very, very helpful but over all, I don't have a clue why one colt with a club foot will have the highest score in the US at the rpsi inspections.
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                                • #17
                                  For what it is worth...We have had an approved Irish Draught stallion pass into RPSI as Book II. Before you curl your lip, it is the only book an Irish Draught can get into. It says nothing of his quality. I believe he did very well at the inspection, impressive with verbal accolades from the inspectors, but the RPSI does not recognize the breed, RPSI could only offer Book II, so it is not necessarily a fair evaluation of quality to be in Book II.

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                                  • #18
                                    Oh and thanks TrotTrotPumpkin I will recheck...she is approved SelleFrancais before import...maybe at the time I was just looking for registries that would allow her in based on her SF approval at the time. Thanks

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                                      We plan to host a RPSI inspection at Hunter's Peak this year.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by columbus View Post
                                        Oh and thanks TrotTrotPumpkin I will recheck...she is approved SelleFrancais before import...maybe at the time I was just looking for registries that would allow her in based on her SF approval at the time. Thanks

                                        She may be approved SF, but where is she registered? (Where are her foal papers) That's what will matters. There are a few registries that will take horses based solely on their other approvals, but usually it's because they can't yet get an inspection tour going in the US.

                                        SF is active in North America again, and other registries will generally approve them if that's where they are registered.
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