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  • Need some help picking a holsteiner stallion for a hunter

    I realize that AHHA has a smaller stud book then some registries so I am looking for some help finding a holsteiner stallion for my mare. I want to produce a hunter. Here is what I am looking for;

    Good size (mare is 15.3h)
    Great trot (something along the lines of Don Alfredo)
    Great jump

    The mare has good conformation, A++ temperament, and is quite pretty. Jump and movement are decent but need some improvement hunter style

    I love love love Cunningham but am skeptical about his trot. I realize he has won most of his U/S classes only placing 2nd twice but an online video that I found didn't impress me for my mare.

    I think Cabardino is too small for my mare though I do like him (bred another mare to him last year).

    Does anyone have any suggestions for a holsteiner approved stallion that will produce a hunter with the above traits? Some suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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    Is Crown Affair approved AHHA? He's worth looking into.

    What are the lines of your mare?

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    • #3
      Holsteiner stallions

      Crooked Willow has a couple that are producing really nice hunters. Chaleon is producing some very fancy hunters that are winning on the line and in the hunters. They also have Acord III who's offspring are winning a bunch on the line and in the hunters. His offspring are very easy and quiet and move and jump great. Most Holsteiners don't move great as they have been bred for jumpers. You can check out Chaleon and Acord III at www.crookedwillowfarms.com

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      • #4
        I second Crown Affair

        but I REALLY like Cabardino may not be big enough but here he is anyway
        http://www.charlotfarm.com/pour%20gagne.htm

        if not then what about:
        Superman
        http://www.allstallionsdirectory.com...8/ho0028ba.htm

        Haven't heard of this one but Lord's Orion
        http://www.lordsorion.com/

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        • #5
          I might know just the horse....Lupicor!

          Hi there!
          Lupicor might be just what you are looking for! As long as your mare is short coupled, and doesn't have alot of knee action, he can give you great movement, scope, style and size. We adore our Lupicor X Goodtimes colt Carte Blanche SCF. He was the #1 Jumper foal in the country for the KWPN-NA last year. Our friends bred a Rampal mare to Lupicor and have a colt they adore that has it all going for him too....Beauty, movement, correctness etc. This colt, Duplicor, was the #3 Jumper Foal in the USA this year for the KWPN! Lupicor (Lux X Pilot X Cor de la Bryere) unfortunately did pass away at a very young age this year, but good frozen semen is available . Please see the below link for info and photos etc...


          http://www.longwoodstables.com/Stall...h/Lupicor.html

          The US representative for Lupicor's sement is Longwood Stables. Tracy is great to work with, and can also help guide you.

          Good Luck!!!
          Warmly,
          Karin
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          2006 KWPN-NA Breeders of the Year/2006 Res CH USDF DSHB Breeders Year
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          • #6
            Originally posted by watertownrider View Post
            Crooked Willow has a couple that are producing really nice hunters. Chaleon is producing some very fancy hunters that are winning on the line and in the hunters. They also have Acord III who's offspring are winning a bunch on the line and in the hunters. His offspring are very easy and quiet and move and jump great. Most Holsteiners don't move great as they have been bred for jumpers. You can check out Chaleon and Acord III at www.crookedwillowfarms.com

            This has to be one of the most uneducated statements I've ever heard. Holsteiners are phenomenal movers as was evidenced by last years Holsteiner stallion approvals where these "jumper stallions" were also proclaimed to be some of the best movers in the world !!!!!

            You can always find many of the worlds top dressage riders (including Anky Van Gunsven) at the Holsteiner stallion approvals every year looking for their next dressage mount.

            Get educated people !

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bayhawk View Post
              This has to be one of the most uneducated statements I've ever heard. Holsteiners are phenomenal movers as was evidenced by last years Holsteiner stallion approvals where these "jumper stallions" were also proclaimed to be some of the best movers in the world !!!!!

              You can always find many of the worlds top dressage riders (including Anky Van Gunsven) at the Holsteiner stallion approvals every year looking for their next dressage mount.

              Get educated people !
              Moving great for dressage is an entirely different kind of movement

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              • #8
                [QUOTEThis has to be one of the most uneducated statements I've ever heard. Holsteiners are phenomenal movers as was evidenced by last years Holsteiner stallion approvals where these "jumper stallions" were also proclaimed to be some of the best movers in the world !!!!!

                You can always find many of the worlds top dressage riders (including Anky Van Gunsven) at the Holsteiner stallion approvals every year looking for their next dressage mount.

                Get educated people ![/QUOTE]

                You just proved her point, hunter riders don't want that movement. "Get educated".

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by busybee View Post
                  [QUOTEThis has to be one of the most uneducated statements I've ever heard. Holsteiners are phenomenal movers as was evidenced by last years Holsteiner stallion approvals where these "jumper stallions" were also proclaimed to be some of the best movers in the world !!!!!

                  You can always find many of the worlds top dressage riders (including Anky Van Gunsven) at the Holsteiner stallion approvals every year looking for their next dressage mount.

                  Get educated people !
                  You just proved her point, hunter riders don't want that movement. "Get educated". [/QUOTE]

                  The quote was "most Holsteiners don't move great because they are bred for jumpers". Untrue and Uneducated ........no matter what you are trying to breed for.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by busybee View Post
                    [QUOTEThis has to be one of the most uneducated statements I've ever heard. Holsteiners are phenomenal movers as was evidenced by last years Holsteiner stallion approvals where these "jumper stallions" were also proclaimed to be some of the best movers in the world !!!!!

                    You can always find many of the worlds top dressage riders (including Anky Van Gunsven) at the Holsteiner stallion approvals every year looking for their next dressage mount.

                    Get educated people !
                    You just proved her point, hunter riders don't want that movement. "Get educated". [/QUOTE]

                    Can you imagine trying to turn Salinero or Bonfire into a hunter??????
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                    • #11
                      Cunningham!

                      Oh! now I see he was in your first post!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SakHill View Post
                        Cunningham!

                        Oh! now I see he was in your first post!
                        According to the poster , the Holsteiner Verband approved , winner of all things Hunter , Cunningham , doesn't "move" well enough for her mare. Cunningham's father , Cassini I ....... top rated Hunter sire in the U.S. , must not move well enough either.

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                        • #13
                          Would like to cast my vote for Cabardino. Beautiful animal with a lovely temperament and a jump that takes your breath away.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bayhawk View Post
                            According to the poster , the Holsteiner Verband approved , winner of all things Hunter , Cunningham , doesn't "move" well enough for her mare. Cunningham's father , Cassini I ....... top rated Hunter sire in the U.S. , must not move well enough either.
                            Here is the video i am judging by; http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoid=4561759

                            I, like most breeders, am trying not only to produce a foal, but produce the best foal I can. I believe my mare is a good mare or I would not be breeding her. However, I would love to see a more hunter type trot from her. The type of trot you see on horses such as Don Alfredo and Westporte. I am aware that Cunningham has been very successful (even placing over Westeport in a hack class). I am in no way demeaning this stallion or his impressive accomplishments.

                            I just am not sure that Cunningham would improve my mares trot. I think everything else would improve/compliment, just not sure on the trot. If the horse in the video is not the mentioned stallion, or you have another video to share that shows something different I would love to see it because I would really like to use him.
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                            • #15
                              Ariadus has had some hunter offspring at WEF do well so he might be an option.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Rendaivu View Post
                                Here is the video i am judging by; http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoid=4561759

                                I, like most breeders, am trying not only to produce a foal, but produce the best foal I can. I believe my mare is a good mare or I would not be breeding her. However, I would love to see a more hunter type trot from her. The type of trot you see on horses such as Don Alfredo and Westporte. I am aware that Cunningham has been very successful (even placing over Westeport in a hack class). I am in no way demeaning this stallion or his impressive accomplishments.

                                I just am not sure that Cunningham would improve my mares trot. I think everything else would improve/compliment, just not sure on the trot. If the horse in the video is not the mentioned stallion, or you have another video to share that shows something different I would love to see it because I would really like to use him.
                                I doubt there is any stronger supporter of Cunningham than I, but it is true that he is not an absolutely top hunter mover. His canter, jump, conformation, manners, etc., are awesome, but his trot does not beat Westporte's or Hush's, for example , in a hunter under saddle class if all horses show their best. If you look at Cunningham's entire record, you will see that while he almost always wins all his classes, including the U/S, in the Conformation divisions, he is more often 2nd or 3rd hacking in the Regulars or AA (which he has just started under his owner.) It is his success as a model which can easily give him the edge so he sweeps the confo. divisions.

                                If you like Cunningham for your mare otherwise, however, I would encourage you to call Mary and ask to see more videos. Personally, I very much liked Cunningham's trot at his keuring, and IMO, my 2003 colt by him is a better hunter mover than either of his parents.

                                I wish you success in finding the best match for your mare.
                                Last edited by fish; Oct. 6, 2008, 09:18 PM.
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                                • #17
                                  Just keep in mind that when you breed for that trot, you are also breeding the scope and power out.

                                  I would put in another vote for Cabardino. I wouldn't worry about the size as he seems to be adding size to his foals. My friend's TB mare has been bred to Balta' Czar, Just the Best, Rio Grande, and Cabardino. This mare is a very narrow, light boned mare. Her colt by Cabardino is the nicest of the four and is also much heavier boned than the others. He was at a bit of an ugly age, but he is a very, very nice colt.

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                                  • #18
                                    Apiro...
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                                    • #19
                                      I don't think Apiro is approved AHHA...
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                                        Originally posted by EquineLVR View Post
                                        Apiro...
                                        I would use Apiro in a heart beat but he is not approved AHHA
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