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  • Event sires...

    How are our US based horses, particularly those with a high % of TB blood, producing? Do they just not have the #s to produce the stats to make it easy for us? What about the likes of Special Memories, or Noble Champion? Any suggestions for those looking to produce a horse with UL talent, that are either up & coming, overlooked, or out of the box? Jumper, or hunter stallions that could produce an eventer...Maximus by Mynos, out of a Cor de mare, is interesting...

    Look forward to hearing you're thoughts

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    Originally posted by goodmorning View Post
    How are our US based horses, particularly those with a high % of TB blood, producing? Do they just not have the #s to produce the stats to make it easy for us? What about the likes of Special Memories, or Noble Champion? Any suggestions for those looking to produce a horse with UL talent, that are either up & coming, overlooked, or out of the box? Jumper, or hunter stallions that could produce an eventer...Maximus by Mynos, out of a Cor de mare, is interesting...

    Look forward to hearing you're thoughts
    You could start with the USEF Leading Sires list for Eventers.
    None of the three horses you mentioned are even on that list.
    Aberjack ( 7/8 TB I think) is the leading sire.
    Throwing out 'one hit wonders' and get from foreign sires the next sire with TB or a high percent of TB is Salute the Truth.

    Keep in mind that because USEA does not require horses to be recorded with USEF till they get to FEI Levels there are probably a number of sires who do have eventers competing who will never get USEF points towards the leading sire awards even though they may have offspring at Prelim and up levels.
    http://useventing.com/resource/membe...irements-chart
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    • #3
      Take a look on Titulus: www.titulusandco.com, he seems to sire some sought after eventing horses. His older foals are undersaddle and out there competing in Germany, as well as in USA.
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        #4
        Apparently my op wasn't clear. Looking for 'out of the box' or new suggestion, opinions on proven horses. Stats are easy, but I'm not sure they're a good indicator of a stallions abilities, particularly when US base horses get how many breedings? And its so popular to breed event-horses here, right? Coupled w/USEF recording issues? Because an evener doesn't need to be a master of sj, or the sand box, but has to be sound & gallop, I believe you can have a diverse gene pool. Why not explore all possibilities, as long as they can gallop & jump?

        Where is Aberjack standing these days? Not my type, but, hopefully he's somewhere able to ship.

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        • #5
          Out of the 100 or so competing Trakehners (and part Trakehners) that I track, the leading sires are Windfall (23) and Stiletto. Special Memories has 2 and Abdullah, his sire, 3 (the list is by no means comprehensive btw).

          Both Windfall and Stiletto evented and were promoted as eventing sires, Special Memories and Abdullah competed as jumpers and were marketed as such. So while offspring stats can be misleading, I honestly believe that performance matters - if you want to breed an eventer, use a stallion that has evented.
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            Aberjack seems to be infertile these days and the person who now owns him doesn't have a sterling reputation.
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            • #7
              If you want out of the box, consider the Akhal-Teke stallion that JER bred to:

              http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...ke#post6690128

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              • #8
                I stand a young stallion. His oldest offspring are coming 3 in 2013 - and to be frank of the 6 of those "Tots" only 2 will prob hit the ring in 2013/2014 as the owner/breeder of the other 4 doesn't do a lot of showing. Sooo my stallion is in no way "proven" at this time to produce eventers and won't be for some time. (The next oldest foal is aimed toward the dressage ring). That being said his bloodlines are proven, and he is currently at Prelim and doing well and we're aiming for Red hills to be his first CIC 1* with his first CC'ING 1* in April at Ocala. And will (fingers crossed) go to Int soon after. .

                That being said, I disagree that the horse that is eventing doesn't have to be a specialist. Eventing now a days you better have a horse and rider that can put in a decent score in dressage!
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                • #9
                  I am not personally familiar with eventing lines but I have heard that TB stallion Just a Devil is putting nice foals on the ground.

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                  • #10
                    I love Aberjack but I would not use him in his current situation.

                    If you're okay with frozen, you can get Alligator Fontaine, Mighty Magic, Grafenstoltz, and Jaguar Mail.

                    If you're looking for fresh, an event "specialist" is harder to come by because (as about 500 threads have pointed out) US breeders just don't breed enough event horses to incentivize stallion owners in the US.

                    Riverman is available and has produced upper level horses if you're open to Holsteiners.

                    Likewise, Concerto Grosso has some promising up and coming youngsters but he's a BIG boy and I personally would want a refined mare. I have two foals coming from him out of a BWP registered Holsteiner/TB cross, but she's about as heavy as I'd want to go with him. He's had some lovely crosses on TB mares.

                    Cascani produced Fleeceworks Cinco, who's had a great run in the YEH classes, although he has to breed on site or same day counter-to-counter semen shipments.

                    Out of the box, I like Lotus T. He's over 50% TB (Approved AHHA & RPSI). His babies have typically gone to hunter/jumper careers, but I've seen quite a few and they can gallop and jump and seem to have good minds.
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                      Originally posted by PINE TREE FARM SC View Post
                      You could start with the USEF Leading Sires list for Eventers.

                      Keep in mind that because USEA does not require horses to be recorded with USEF till they get to FEI Levels there are probably a number of sires who do have eventers competing who will never get USEF points towards the leading sire awards even though they may have offspring at Prelim and up levels.
                      http://useventing.com/resource/membe...irements-chart
                      Another thing to keep in mind is that Canadian horses will not be reflected in that list. Even if a Cdn horse competes mainly in the US it will not have a USEF #.

                      A Fine Romance has been a consistent sire of good event horses, including two youngsters who took part in the indoor eventing at the Royal Winter Fair this year:
                      A First Romance (owned and ridden by Selena O'Hanlon) who competes at the *** level.
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqbDVogZmao

                      and A Little Romance (ridden by Jess Phoenix) who is now competing at Intermediate.

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0u1b-ePg7E

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                      • #12
                        What about the Mail's: Jaguar (Hilltop) and Otto (I'm not sure he freezes well).
                        And then, there is Alligator Fontaine (again thru Hilltop).

                        Lucinda Frederick's used one of the above for her spicy **** mare thru embryo transfer .......(I believe).

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                        • #13
                          Mary Hazard still (I believe) stands Mystic Replica for eventing.

                          Doesn't Bruce Davidson have one of Patricia Nicholson's Lion line standing? He does. It's Keltic Lion. He's not very high percentage TB though. But specially bred for BD.

                          Witsendeventing stands a TB named Wing Man.
                          http://www.witsendeventing.com/Breeding/WingMan.html

                          Phyllis Dawson is, per her website, still representing the TB stallion Orujo de la Galerna.
                          http://www.teamwindchase.com/OrujoStallionPage.htm

                          And then there's Default, but he isn't proven in eventing or standing specially for eventers.
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                          If I had a big mare in or near NY, I'd certainly consider Northern Spur. He's an Eclipse winning turf horse, small but seems to have had a few talented foals in the UK. Small but talented.


                          Not in the United States, but still....
                          William Micklem in Ireland says that he will have frozen from Jackaroo, a full brother of Mandiba and High Kingdom, for export to NA this spring. Jackaroo was injured young in a pasture accident so has no competition career, but he's more than 75% TB and worth consideration. Jackaroo is still very young and doesn't have any yet of competition age. But William Micklem knows eventing and event horses as well as anyone on the planet.
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                          • #14
                            Perhaps Lanciano would be a neat wild card as well. He's up in Canada.

                            Rather Well is a more obvious choice.

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                            • #15
                              Heard lovely things about Tzigane, I am thinking of him for next year. My made is currently in foal to Concerto Grosso, who I love. CG is such a consistent producer.

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                                OP asked for TBs or high percentage TB stallions.
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                                • #17
                                  I just saw Deny mention Beaulieu`s Quissini. A lot of TB in the pedigree. His half sister, Victoria (same dam, Cathleen) just won a Grand Prix in Wellington. His sire, World`s leading jumper sire, Quidam De Revel, sired Boyd Martin`s Olympic 3-day horse, Otis Barbotiere
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by JWB View Post
                                    If you're looking for fresh, an event "specialist" is harder to come by because (as about 500 threads have pointed out) US breeders just don't breed enough event horses to incentivize stallion owners in the US.
                                    And why I'm thinking a thread of many options is a good thing...might be better off choosing a stallion with the pedigree & traits you're looking for, and breeding for an event horse - than choosing from the very small pool f event stallions. Add fresh semen to the mix of requirements and you're in a puddle.

                                    Concerto Grosso, and Ciceras Icewater, are very nice (probably underused) stallions. I'd love to hear more bout their get. Caracci is another guy who might fit the bill. Does ROC USA have any eventing?

                                    There are some lovely TB's : Fred, Sea Accounts, Yellow Creek, Rather Well...

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                                      Originally posted by Molly Malone View Post
                                      Out of the 100 or so competing Trakehners (and part Trakehners) that I track, the leading sires are Windfall (23) and Stiletto. Special Memories has 2 and Abdullah, his sire, 3 (the list is by no means comprehensive btw).

                                      Both Windfall and Stiletto evented and were promoted as eventing sires, Special Memories and Abdullah competed as jumpers and were marketed as such. So while offspring stats can be misleading, I honestly believe that performance matters - if you want to breed an eventer, use a stallion that has evented.
                                      PD competed Special Memories, though not sure to what extent. I don't think the stallion needs to have evented to sire an eventer, however, there has to be significant reason to believe he's capable.

                                      Will Denny stand Beaulieus Quissini? There's another fabulously well-bred QDR son whose name is escaping me, and I think he's only offered via frozen, so I haven't kept up with him.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by JWB View Post
                                        Out of the box, I like Lotus T. He's over 50% TB (Approved AHHA & RPSI). His babies have typically gone to hunter/jumper careers, but I've seen quite a few and they can gallop and jump and seem to have good minds.

                                        Lotus T is 70% TB - and the USEA magazine, in 2004, in an article about young event sires named him potentially the best pick in North America. No surprise, however, that only one event breeder ever bred to him (Crystal Kendrick in Columbia, Mo) and just recently, a Windfall mare also produced a top-notch event prospect by him. The poster is right, most of his get are sold as jumpers or dressage horses. However, I have seen a lot of his offspring, out of TB mares, that could be international caliber eventers. They have GP potential in both jumpers and dressage, they have awesome gallops, they are forward, brave, super easy to train - and they are 85% TBs. What else would an event rider need? Probably the stallion to be dead LOL.
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