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Update, postponed! Weaning is tomorrow, and I'm nervous.

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  • Update, postponed! Weaning is tomorrow, and I'm nervous.

    My BM's source on "weaning by the signs" indicated that the 20th and 21st were the best days to wean this month--though there is conflicting information. (This board said earlier this week would have been the right days, which would have been better, weatherwise.)

    The forecast for tomorrow (in our area) is for rain coming in late, then SHARPLY colder the next day, and WINDY! Just the thing for keeping young fractious brains in heads...

    My filly, who has always been with mom only, is almost 6 months old, and is READY (if not past ready) to be weaned; she jumped out of her pasture *away* from mom last month. Over a 4+ foot gate. Then proceeded to "take a tour" of the property. Oy.

    Needless to say, she is very independent and curious by nature, and I think she will be fine (after the initial meltdown hissy) when separated from mom.

    The BM might have done it earlier if not for the fact that the two weanlings the filly will be turned out with suddenly coming up with snotty noses as of Monday, they are now on antibiotics. As a result (and because we don't want to wait another MONTH), the weaning is still a "go", and BM plans to sedate both in the stall (they will likely already be in because the hunt comes through the property most Thursdays, and stirs up a ruckus), and then remove the mare by loading her in a trailer and moving her to another barn on the property, where she will be kept in a stall until she calms down (this is well out of earshot of the baby, thank goodness.)

    Filly--WHEN "sufficiently settled", in BM's opinion--will be turned out with two other foals, both of whom have already been weaned for several months, and who have been out together with other foals (in a herd of 4.) With luck my filly will settle in, though there has been no introduction to any other horse up to this point, not even over the fence. (Mom is a bitchy Alpha, so they had to be by themselves.)

    Luckily filly seems to be VERY socially motivated, and will likely LOVE having friends to play with; my concern is that the ground will be slick and the weather will be suddenly cold and windy , making everyone "extra spunky."

    Anyone had success with this? (please say YES, it will be FINE!), and any suggestions?
    Last edited by Dr. Doolittle; Dec. 20, 2012, 10:37 AM.
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    ALL WILL BE FINE ~ ELLA will be a STAR !!!! Breathe in and Breathe out ``` Repeat Dr

    All will be Blue ribbon perfect ~

    ELLA will be a STAR !!!! as always ~

    Dr. D ~ Breathe in Breathe out ``` Repeat ! ~

    * always sedate the owner during that first weanling experience *
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      #3
      Originally posted by Zu Zu View Post
      All will be Blue ribbon perfect ~

      ELLA will be a STAR !!!! as always ~

      Dr. D ~ Breathe in Breathe out ``` Repeat ! ~

      * always sedate the owner during that first weanling experience *


      Thanks, ZuZu! As usual, you manage to be supportive AND hilarious
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      • #4
        "this" is a Tough Day for owners ~ always is always will be ~ you're not alone!~

        " this" is a Tough Day for any owner ~ always has been & always will be ~

        You're not alone !~! ((hugs))

        Just be there ~ remain vigilant & calm ~ she will be fine and make you proud !~!

        Jingles & AO for tomorrow ~

        Please after the "event" and you have 'dipped your beak" into some ~~~ golden Corona ~ please report in here so we know

        Ella was a star & her owner is still breathing ?!~!~ TIA ~
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          Originally posted by Zu Zu View Post
          " this" is a Tough Day for any owner ~ always has been & always will be ~

          You're not alone !~! ((hugs))

          Just be there ~ remain vigilant & calm ~ she will be fine and make you proud !~!

          Jingles & AO for tomorrow ~

          Please after the "event" and you have 'dipped your beak" into some ~~~ golden Corona ~ please report in here so we know

          Ella was a star & her owner is still breathing ?!~!~ TIA ~
          DANG, woman--you know me oh too well!

          I have a few Xanax left over, but they are a couple years old; I may have to dip into my Valium supply...Corona is always good. Though the !@#$ barn is an hour away, so I have to be able to DRIVE HOME afterwards! (One of my students suggested I sleep in my car overnight, but it will be way too frigid for that. Damnable summer foals!)
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            I don't ever sedate either of them. I leave the foal in it's stall and remove the mare to the farthest stall away from the foal. I usually leave the mare in the stall overnight and the foal in it's stall for two or three days.
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              I wouldn't sedate either. Definitely remove mama to a far away location (exactly what I do) and keep the baby in the stall with a friend or two nearby. Good luck. The dates I posted (earlier this week) in the Weaning by the Signs thread are good and continue through the 21st. You should be fine. Keep us posted.
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                Mom will be moved to a barn far enough away so as to be out of earshot, I don't know whether the filly will have a "friend" in the same barn, but the stalls don't offer a lot of visibility--stone walls, full gates in the front. She won't be able to commune with anyone while she is "in solitary."

                I don't have any control over any of this, will be allowed to "be there" and watch, and that's it. BM's way is to sedate them, so that's what will be done (I have no idea how filly will respond, of course--she may blow right through it!)

                Good to know that the date is still okay (I'm mostly concerned about the freaking WEATHER!
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                  I've had better luck putting baby in with buddies, but my foals aren't really ever stalled..... I would forget the signs and worry about the weather more honestly.... but that's just me. The mare will settle, sounds like the foal is ready, but it really really helps having friends. I've started doing Ulcergaurd the day before weaning and for a couple days afterwards.
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                    I wish it were possible to put her in with buddies! I would like to wait for T/O until the ground has dried up a bit, but that's tough this time of year, of course. Plus she may be "bouncing off the walls" after 2+ days of confinement--which will NOT help matters during the first T/O and introduction to new herdmates!

                    I have Ulcerguard, BM will start giving it tomorrow...
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                      I would be livid if someone gave a drug to my animals without my consent.
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                        Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                        I would be livid if someone gave a drug to my animals without my consent.
                        Me too
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                        • #13
                          I can't believe sedation is an option honestly. I hate that. I just weaned one, wasn't mine, but mine learn to be social over a fence and around a month are introduced to mom's friends and by two months mine usually romp with the entire herd.. This one was different, she also had been kept with mom in solitary until my babies moved in across the fence. I started separating her to the other side of the fence to meet friends and learn how to be social for a few hours a day. After she got used to this, she spent all day out with friends and night with mom. Next we
                          Moved mom to a different stall as far away as possible, and my weanling(older then this one and already weaned) and her weanling now live in the foaling stall at night and go out together. Very little screaming, no running, no injuries... And most importantly.. NO drugs. Just my opinion but.. I don't like that.
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                            Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                            I would be livid if someone gave a drug to my animals without my consent.
                            Me too!
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                              OK, this sounds a little over the top to me. I weaned my filly with no sedation by (gasp) moving the wall in the mare and foal stall so that filly and mom were in separate adjacent stalls and then turned them out separately the next day. No drama, no sedation, nada.

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                                I wish I had the flexibility to explore some of these options!

                                I asked the BM whether she could do some "trial separations" over time (and beforehand) to kind of gradually warm them up to the idea, but she didn't want to do that. The sedation is to try to take the edge off before they are first separated...

                                Since the filly jumped out of her pasture about a month ago, I don't know whether it's a good idea to put her and mom in adjacent fields.

                                BM has weaned MANY foals over the years, and is convinced that this will "be fine"; I really don't have a say in the matter--or a better idea (she is unlikely to change her plan in any case, since I am not the "expert", alas!)
                                "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

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                                  Don't you get any say in the care of your own animals? It's one thing to share thoughts and formulate a plan based upon your ideas and your BO's experience. It's something completely different to say my way or the highway. Not cool.
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                                    Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                                    Don't you get any say in the care of your own animals? It's one thing to share thoughts and formulate a plan based upon your ideas and your BO's experience. It's something completely different to say my way or the highway. Not cool.
                                    Yes, I agree with the not cool thing, but I had NO idea that this would be the situation (and an environment that discouraged any input from me) until after I had been there for awhile. It's very hard to find good mare and foal board anywhere near where I live (and in a county adjacent to where I do most of my traveling for lessons), so this was the best compromise I could find.

                                    I can suggest and request, but she overrides me most of the time since "she is the one with all the mare and foal care experience", and I am just a boarder--and she is very intractable (and knows it ALL.) I have tried, believe me. Unfortunately, I don't have an alternative situation for them--not one that's safe and provides reliable, experienced, and competent foal care--so will just have to trust in her expertise and hope things will be okay.
                                    "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

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                                    • #19
                                      I am sure it will be ok, but that whole situation stinks. Maybe COTHer's could recommend somewhere for you to go that is more accommodating?
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                                        I am sorry you and your foal are going thru this. We never wean "by the signs", and I have weaned at least 100 foals with none hurt, and no sedation. I always make sure owners are 100% in agreement with me, as I won't make a decision for someone else's horse.

                                        Please make sure the stall is VERY safe, no gaps where a small foot can become wedged. When turning out, I would begin with one for a while, not putting the baby out with a group she does not know or they may chase her over/thru a fence. I really really hate to wean when the weather is turning bad. Hope things go ok.

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