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  • Dressage x Jumper bred. Am I crazy?

    I'm looking at a possible free lease on a broodmare owned by a friend. She is big mover and huge bodied and very nicely dressage bred. She's produced a foal already who is coming 3 and is very balanced. Foal will be aimed at eventing but could succeed in pretty much anything. The mare has jumped a little bit and does have some natural ability.
    Pedigree:
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/inde...mall_font=1&l=
    Pics:
    http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._2011406_n.jpg
    http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._1669490_n.jpg
    (Best Confo shot I can find)
    http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._4325262_n.jpg
    http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._4661420_n.jpg

    I'm looking to produce a jumper foal. I'm looking at more modern type stallions with a lot of TB blood to lighten her up. Any suggestions? Am I crazy to try and get a jumper out of these lines? Would I be better off looking for a hunter stallion?

    Ideal foal would be a 1.30-1.40 jumper. It would be a horse for me as my gelding is getting older.
    Fils Du Reverdy (Revy)- 1993 Selle Francais Gelding
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    Mischief Managed (Tully)- JC Priceless Jewel 2002 TB Gelding

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    Is that first pseudo-confo pic of her showing her feet accurately? She looks to have minimally a low grade club foot - more than just a bit of a high/low syndrome going on, and for that reason alone I wouldn't breed her

    Does her kid have that as well?
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      #3
      http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...43573475_n.jpg
      That's a better shot of her. Definitely not club footed.
      Fils Du Reverdy (Revy)- 1993 Selle Francais Gelding
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      Mischief Managed (Tully)- JC Priceless Jewel 2002 TB Gelding

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      • #4
        Looking at her pedigree alone, she is bred dual-purpose. So if you ignore the mare all together, those bloodlines could produce both jumping and dressage.

        However, from your pics, she does have a more dressage like conformation, and I didn't really love her jumping pic.

        Do you have a video of her jumping? Its actually more relevant in producing a jumper foal then her bloodlines by themselves. Jumping ability is a lot more hereditary then dressage ability.

        Having that said, I totally agree with JB's somment:
        Is that first pseudo-confo pic of her showing her feet accurately? She looks to have minimally a low grade club foot - more than just a bit of a high/low syndrome going on, and for that reason alone I wouldn't breed her
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          #5
          I don't have a jumping video and have not seen the mare in person. She is in NC and I am in CO. The lease would be with the owner. I'm glad to hear she's dual purpose bred. I don't know much about Hano lines (as opposed to SF and Hols.)

          The 2yo filly has been free jumped and is very tidy.
          Here is the baby as a yearling
          http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...5_988730_n.jpg
          Fils Du Reverdy (Revy)- 1993 Selle Francais Gelding
          My equine soulmate
          Mischief Managed (Tully)- JC Priceless Jewel 2002 TB Gelding

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          • #6
            Thanks for the new pic. Still a bit of high/low, but certainly not what was deceiving in the first picture That said, I'd be very sure to pick a stallion with really good feet who also passes that on
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            • #7
              Curious what it is about her conformation that says dressage to you rather than jumping. I'd have thought she looked like she'd make a fine jumper.

              Originally posted by SCMSL View Post
              Looking at her pedigree alone, she is bred dual-purpose. So if you ignore the mare all together, those bloodlines could produce both jumping and dressage.

              However, from your pics, she does have a more dressage like conformation, and I didn't really love her jumping pic.

              Do you have a video of her jumping? Its actually more relevant in producing a jumper foal then her bloodlines by themselves. Jumping ability is a lot more hereditary then dressage ability.

              Having that said, I totally agree with JB's somment:
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              • #8
                More upright shoulder, shaved off croup and upright hind end. This is not a mare for breeding jumpers.

                Tim
                Sparling Rock Holsteiners
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                • #9
                  If you want to breed a jumper, then breed a mare that is bred to jump and can jump herself. Jumping is *highly* heritable. The poster Krallen is near Fort Collins - why not ask if she might lease one of her broodmares - you'd be able to see the baby grow!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RyTimMick View Post
                    More upright shoulder, shaved off croup and upright hind end. This is not a mare for breeding jumpers.

                    Tim
                    I wouldn't say those are traits that predispose for dressage, either.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Molly Malone View Post
                      If you want to breed a jumper, then breed a mare that is bred to jump and can jump herself. Jumping is *highly* heritable. The poster Krallen is near Fort Collins - why not ask if she might lease one of her broodmares - you'd be able to see the baby grow!
                      Thanks!! This is kind of what I was looking for. Bummer. I'll contact Krallen. I'd be looking at maybe a 2015 foal since I don't really have the budget for a baby at the moment
                      Fils Du Reverdy (Revy)- 1993 Selle Francais Gelding
                      My equine soulmate
                      Mischief Managed (Tully)- JC Priceless Jewel 2002 TB Gelding

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dani0303 View Post
                        ]I'd be looking at maybe a 2015 foal since I don't really have the budget for a baby at the moment
                        Definitely save up then and skip this "opportunity" - remember that whole line about there being "nothing free in life"? Foals can be as expensive as they are cute -_- Way easier to have the risk be on the breeder's end (like Krallen, for example) rather than in your lap with your friend's horse.
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                        • #13
                          In this economy, there are lots of breeders who are looking to either sell or lease very good mares. I have one out on a lease right now and may lease another in 2013. If you want something who will produce jump, I think you can do better than this mare. I'd suggest looking at some Holsteiner mares with good production records.
                          Maryanne Nicpon
                          Minglewood Sport Horses
                          Ballston Spa, NY

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                          • #14
                            Lotus T is just such a stallion

                            Holsteiner stallion, Lotus T is 70% TB and produces very leggy, elegant foals that always jump exceptionally well.
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4SfHHhoc_8
                            Andras
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                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4SfHHhoc_8
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                            • #15
                              Agreed. I thought she was too light behind to be a good dressage prospect at the very least. I'd also want a bigger motor for a jumper and her jumping photos don't show a lot of apptitude to me.

                              Originally posted by SportArab View Post
                              I wouldn't say those are traits that predispose for dressage, either.
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                              • #16
                                Thanks for mentioning me Molly Malone :-)
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