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  • Weaning Update and need for suggestions...

    So the 2nd weaning was a little less stressful, as in no injuries this time. We did wean by the signs, who knows, maybe that does help. BUT (here it comes) - my filly isn't happy.

    My mare is in the field across from Dani and that is fine for the mare. Dani is in with her Uncle and that is working out, well sort of. Dani stays fairly close to the fence line, not venturing out to the field when Uncle takes a stroll. She isn't pacing or winnying, just no venturing out.

    As for stalling - Dani is in the stall furthest from her mom. Since she keeps attempting to jump over the door, we have had to errect a top to her stall, which prevents her from jumping out. She also paces in her stall, round and round. It doesn't seem as if she relaxes. I would LOVE to leave the top open so that she could be more social with us as we are working in the barn and looking out at the other horses (who all look over their doors).

    Feeding - she is getting some alfalfa and timothy mix (inside and out), 1/2 cup of Triple Crown 30% AM & PM (was told by my vet this was the best for her as she was growing too fast, needed less grain, but the nutrients that this provided her). She was getting SS Legends Performance 10% Fat/10% protein and taking a lot of it from her mom. She gets lots of turn out, only stalled during bad/cold weather. She is also getting a dose of Ulcerguard daily to help prevent ulcers.

    So, what can I do? I do have goats, I was tempted to put one in with her, but my concern is that she is pacing so much, she may injure them. IF her top was open and she was relaxed, the goats would be jumping in and out of her stall like they do wtih the others. They love the company of a horse and seem to like her when she is outside.

    I don't have another foal with her - don't have one to offer. Her Uncle is great company and takes good care of her. He would love her to be more playful, but she seems to be disinterested. I don't want to send her away and I don't want to bring another animal to the farm - our herd is settled and content and I don't have another stall to offer.

    This is the filly that was born at day 311. We bonded very early and that bond is broken. I don't know how to get it back because she is so intent on being elsewhere. UGH.

    Suggestions? BTW - this is my 7th foal. Only have not bonded with one other - that was due to dam (not this one's mom). All my other's, including blood related foals are super duper sweet. Don't ever recall this type of issue.

  • #2
    How long has it been? I keep mine right next to each other (stalled as well) until they no longer care. Can you stall her next to mom?
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      How much ulcergard? You might bump it up to the treatment dose if you aren't there already.
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      • #4
        I also keep them next to the Mom for a week or 2 - by then they have normally started to bond with the babysitter and the Moms have stopped worrying.
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        • #5
          I agree with DLee about keeping baby next to mom. I have 2 fillies I am weaning right now. Both are stalled next to mom but are allowed to go in with mom multiple times a day. It keeps baby happy and mom happy to have her bag reduced. Babies are still turned out with mom.
          I would be concerned about the circling in the stall, it could cause physical issues and become the never ending habit!

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            I can put my mare next to Dani for a bit (the mare is sooooo happy to be rid of her bebe). The problem is I really want her to not be so attached, but to form relationships with the other horses. Hee hee, how many times have I told my children that one?!?!

            Anyway, I will see if putting her mom next to her helps, BUT since the stall situation is the one next to the filly is a pony stall. I don't want the mare there on a permanent basis. AND the mare and her brother (filly's Uncle) are close. If I move her, my big guy will start stall kicking and he is a horse who gets ulcers fairly easily.

            I only have 6 stalls. 3 pony stalls (fairly decent sized) and the filly is in one of them. Then I have 3 big stalls (1 is foaling stall that the mare lives in as she is in foal again), another houses the big boy (Uncle) and the 3rd has been used for storage as it is a an odd shaped stall (20 x 10). This is an old cattle barn, so there is not much in the way of making changes.

            This is the 4th foal I have had at this barn and the first who has shown signs of being so attached. She is over 6 months old and has been separated since Thanksgiving.

            Ticker - you are right, I do need to worry about the potential for leg issues as well as habit forming... thanks.

            I did get a large bucket of NeighLox Ultra today. I will start dosing the filly with that with every graining after I use up my Ulcer Guard. sigh.

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            • #7
              You might try a half screen (the smaller show screen) n the top of the stall--so she can look out but not jump out?

              Our weanling needed to be able to make contact (nose at least) w another horse (which is not surprising) ... so you might have to empty out the storage stall. In the end it might be the easiest thing.

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              • #8
                Best case would be to remove the mare completely from the situation for a month or more. Filly can smell mama and if she hasn't bonded with a friend or two, mama is too convenient. Who was turned out with them in their field?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by VirginiaBred View Post
                  Best case would be to remove the mare completely from the situation for a month or more. Filly can smell mama and if she hasn't bonded with a friend or two, mama is too convenient. Who was turned out with them in their field?
                  This. I've always had far better luck just separating them completely. Much less stress on both, as long as filly has a buddy. Once she has realized that mom is NOT coming back, she should settle back down.
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                    VaBred - My whole herd was out togther this summer. Mom, baby, Uncle and 2 ponies. Have Mom & 2 ponies together (working great) and Uncle and baby together (also working out fine - as far as them getting along).

                    The first time I *tried* to wean (at 5 months - suggested by my vet due to fillys huge growth), I put the filly in with the ponies and my mare and her brother were out together. Mare & brother are BFF's and there was no issue for them. Mare was 100% happy baby is gone. Filly freaked BIG time. The Uncle/Brother is the spitting image of my mare (except she is 15.2 and he is 17.1).

                    We wanted to do what we THOUGHT was going to be less stressful - by doing on farm weaning. Guess it isn't meant to be. UGH. I have to find a place for my mare for a month or two... which means more MONEY, more WORK, more Time on the road... UGH. Gotta do what a good owner's gotta do I guess.

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                    • #11
                      No advice, but hugs to you! Oy, vey...

                      Is weaning ever NOT stressful?? :-\

                      Check this out:

                      http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...gs-in-December

                      I didn't know whether to laugh or cry!

                      I (well, my BM) will be weaning my filly next week. Cold turkey, since they have been by themselves, there has been no way to integrate a buddy into the mix, then remove mom, etc. The plan is to sedate them both, take mare away (I hope she will load to be removed from her beloved baby!) to another barn on the same property--about a mile or two away, so out of earshot. Leave them both locked in stalls until they settle down (24 hours, more if necessary?), then turn filly out with two other older weanlings she has never met, even over a fenceline, and turn mare out--maybe with two other broodmares in a big field. If she tries to KILL them (which is a possibility), we will re-evaluate. Play it by ear, IOW.

                      I think filly will have a tantrum for awhile, throw herself off walls, but then be more than happy to have "new friends", and settle into her situation. Mom, OTOH, is in love with filly, hates all other horses, and will be bereft (with luck they will both get over it??)

                      Has this strategy worked for other breeders out there?

                      oppsie, I wish you the BEST of luck with this. It sounds like you will need to take your mare to another farm, but at least it will be temporary, yes?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oppsie2
                        VaBred - My whole herd was out togther this summer. Mom, baby, Uncle and 2 ponies. Have Mom & 2 ponies together (working great) and Uncle and baby together (also working out fine - as far as them getting along).

                        The first time I *tried* to wean (at 5 months - suggested by my vet due to fillys huge growth), I put the filly in with the ponies and my mare and her brother were out together. Mare & brother are BFF's and there was no issue for them. Mare was 100% happy baby is gone. Filly freaked BIG time. The Uncle/Brother is the spitting image of my mare (except she is 15.2 and he is 17.1).

                        We wanted to do what we THOUGHT was going to be less stressful - by doing on farm weaning. Guess it isn't meant to be. UGH. I have to find a place for my mare for a month or two... which means more MONEY, more WORK, more Time on the road... UGH. Gotta do what a good owner's gotta do I guess.
                        It would be best. PITA, but best. Keep us posted.
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