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  • #41
    What are your thoughts on this Arab guy?

    http://www.daretodreamfarm.ca/FSF-Jesse-James.html (there is a video at the link)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXe16BNQMik
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      #42
      Originally posted by Nootka View Post
      What are your thoughts on this Arab guy?

      http://www.daretodreamfarm.ca/FSF-Jesse-James.html (there is a video at the link)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXe16BNQMik
      Thoughts? Is there a specific purpose to why you are asking? This is not a stallion I would personally use for many reasons, most of which I feel are obvious so I won't comment any further.
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      • #43
        Originally posted by goodpony View Post
        I have never met or seen Dartagnon in the flesh but he is competing at I-1 not many horses of any breed even get a hoof in the door at that level. So trainability is there for sure.

        With respect to my filly the more I worked with the her the more I really enjoyed working with her. I liked her so much I allowed her current owner to RIDE her--it was the 5th time anyone ever sat on her. She was the type of filly that once connected with the right person would walk through flaming hoops--and that does come from her Arabian mother. IF I ever had to ride into battle--she is the one I want to be sitting on. And I still do!

        You all have good points-what I saw in doing the cross with the pony was that I was able to improve the top line, saddle position, and produce a better hind end (no triangle butts here) also added a great deal of bone, depth and substance-over the mother. What we also got was a very elegant/feminine pony with really good feet and horse like gaits-very good gaits/balance and natural athleticism! The inspectors commented on the improvements over the dam at her inspection. I personally believe that my filly will go as far as her owner wants to go--provided she is given age appropriate training and continued opportunity. I believe this is true of most horses.
        I believe that Dartagnon was the National CHampion Arab Sport Horse Grand Prix horse. But, he is now being ridden by an amature and she is moving him back down the PSG as I understand it having talked to the trainers who rode him at the Nationals.

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          #44
          Originally posted by goodpony View Post
          Well then there you have it how many horses of any breed do GP? Let alone Purebred Arabians? I've never seen him!

          His sister did look a lot like him though--and she was a marvelous producer! Producing well over what she herself was-i had seen at least five of her foals over the years. And there is the trick--which one is the producer even if they are the one you would pass over? Its not all in the movement but which one passes it on with greater consistency or even produces above and beyond what they themselves are. The answer to that is in the pedigree I believe. Little man is a PRODUCER (his middle name is xerox) but so was mom.
          There have been quite a few PB Arabians competing GP dressage and doing it very well. Taez+, OKW Entrigue+++//, and KB Omega Fahim+++// just to name the stallions in CA. There are several competing in the east as well. It is not as unusual as you think . I have always found it interesting that these stallions are not/were not used so much in the breeding shed due to the fact that they are sport horses and not of the current popular Arabian breeding. The Aulrab horses are proving to be exceptional for dressage. Awesome trainability with WB gaits. We will be seeing more of them travelling up the levels, as they are very ammy friendly and dressage is easy for them. Aulways Magic and Aul Turbo Charged are Aulrab grandson's doing quite well. I have an up and coming Magic Aulrab colt out of my Hano approved mare and there are others.

          I was hoping this thread would reveal bloodlines of both sides so that we could study which Arabian lines are working with the WB lines. And which Arabian lines lend themselves to creating better dressage horses. Or Jumping ones =)
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          • #45
            Well it's no secret that I bought goodpony's super pony. I have wanted an arab wb cross forever, but could never find one for sale older than a yearling. Flora looks a bit like a pony size arab/wb cross. She is tough and smart and funny, and she has wonderful, balanced, horse sized gaits. I would not say she is easy, but she is incredibly trainable. Sometimes she learns things too fast she's just cool.

            I really think the Arabian blood brings something special to any cross.
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              #46
              Originally posted by Perfect Pony View Post
              Well it's no secret that I bought goodpony's super pony. I have wanted an arab wb cross forever, but could never find one for sale older than a yearling. Flora looks a bit like a pony size arab/wb cross. She is tough and smart and funny, and she has wonderful, balanced, horse sized gaits. I would not say she is easy, but she is incredibly trainable. Sometimes she learns things too fast she's just cool.

              I really think the Arabian blood brings something special to any cross.
              I think you should show pics of your superpony! It will be fun meeting you at the Arabian shows this coming year =)
              http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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              • #47
                You know I have lots! I can post them tonight from home. I love to share her cuteness
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                • #48
                  here are a few from home:

                  Flora age 1

                  Flora age 3

                  Fuzzy Flora getting started
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                  • #49
                    Argh, I posted all this then firefox crashed....grrr...

                    Anyways, here's the pedigrees and some pics/videos of the Arab crosses I mentioned:

                    Korona
                    Dam: Kalypso's Krown Jewel (Kalypso x Diamont daughter)
                    Sire: MHR Wein (Port Bask x Aloes daughter)
                    Video (she's no longer for sale): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRSg...9&feature=plcp
                    She's now hovering around 16hh, expected to mature ~17hh

                    Crown Royal
                    Dam: Kalypso's Krown Jewel (Kalypso x Diamont daughter)
                    Sire: CKM Royal Star Pedigree
                    Pics:
                    Sire
                    1 month
                    2 months
                    He's now 8 months and approx 11-12hh...expected to mature ~17hh

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                    • #50
                      Oh goodpony, I like that first one, I have never seen that one!

                      Here's an album I have put together for Flora, all pictures taken in the last few months
                      http://flic.kr/ps/TnsyF
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                        #51
                        Originally posted by big_red_ottb View Post
                        Argh, I posted all this then firefox crashed....grrr...

                        Anyways, here's the pedigrees and some pics/videos of the Arab crosses I mentioned:

                        Korona
                        Dam: Kalypso's Krown Jewel (Kalypso x Diamont daughter)
                        Sire: MHR Wein (Port Bask x Aloes daughter)
                        Video (she's no longer for sale): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRSg...9&feature=plcp
                        She's now hovering around 16hh, expected to mature ~17hh

                        Crown Royal
                        Dam: Kalypso's Krown Jewel (Kalypso x Diamont daughter)
                        Sire: CKM Royal Star Pedigree
                        Pics:
                        Sire
                        1 month
                        2 months
                        He's now 8 months and approx 11-12hh...expected to mature ~17hh
                        Thank you so much for posting more info! Oh my, Kalypso/Diamont, lucky you! Love the babies. My mare is out of a daughter of MHR Elimara. I love these lines for their athletic ability, mostly Polish/Crabbet. Truly my favorite combo when it comes to Arabians.

                        OK I have to ask... 8 months and 11-12hh, we have a 6 month old who's 13.1h. I really don't want one to be 17h. I was thinking he would be around 16.1 maybe 16.2 like his momma. YIKES!
                        http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by stripes View Post
                          Thank you so much for posting more info! Oh my, Kalypso/Diamont, lucky you! Love the babies. My mare is out of a daughter of MHR Elimara. I love these lines for their athletic ability, mostly Polish/Crabbet. Truly my favorite combo when it comes to Arabians.

                          OK I have to ask... 8 months and 11-12hh, we have a 6 month old who's 13.1h. I really don't want one to be 17h. I was thinking he would be around 16.1 maybe 16.2 like his momma. YIKES!
                          Yep, she is a VERY nice mare...unfortunately only suitable for breeding as she has some very deep-seated fear issues under saddle from (we suspect) being started. Bolting, bucking, spinning, rearing....not fun on a 17.3 hh, 1300 pound animal bred to be athletic!

                          I'm a fan of Egyptian Arabs myself, like Crown Royal's sire, but Wein is a very nice horse! We all expect both Kory and Royal to be incredible horses in a few years.

                          I should put a disclaimer on my height guesstimate on Royal! He could very well be at or above 13 hands at the moment. I'll ask my trainer/his owner what she thinks tomorrow. It's a consequence of my working with horses mostly above 16.2, and I'm hardly a breeding/foal growth expert. Both foals are expected to mature around 17hh, though - his dam was 17.3 with a propensity to throw big (she has an 18.2 foal out there) and his sire 15.2.

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                            #53
                            Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
                            I own and ride a PB Arab gelding in dressage. I have long been interested in finding an Oldenburg/Arab.
                            Sheilah
                            I would love to see your gelding . If your are serious about getting an Old/Arabian cross, let me know. I can point you in the direction of some very good breeder's who are doing this as their breeding program.

                            Are you interested in lets say a Trak/Arabian cross? I know where a very nice one is sitting in a pasture just waiting for someone to do something with him. Or what about a Hano/Arabian cross?
                            http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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                              #54
                              Originally posted by skykingismybaby1 View Post
                              I have a lovely Dutch Arab cross that is the best horse I have ever known.




                              Sensible and hardworking with wonderful gaits. A bit small but I only notice that on the ground .....under saddle he is 17 hands
                              What a cute face! I photographed a Simpatico/Arabian cross here in Nor Cal many times and your boy reminds me of him - I know its just the color and those cute tippy ears, but I can't resist cute ears. What are his bloodlines and do you have any body pics of him?

                              Size is only relative to the rider, I want a smaller horse and I know many that also like the 15h-16h range. I think these little guys are going to become more and more popular
                              http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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                                #55
                                Originally posted by rider25 View Post
                                I have a really nice Oldenburg/Arab mare. She is 15.1 and has the best of both parents in my opinion. I am 5'1" with short legs and she is perfect for me. She was reserve filly at her inspection. I plan on breeding her next spring, hopefully to Jupiter as I am hoping for a hunter for me that will stay in the 15 hand range.
                                Her older full sister was just a hair under 16hh. Bigger all around and had less of the refinement that I really wanted from the cross. She took after their sire more. She was placed in the main mare book at her mare inspection.
                                I feel that while my mare is the smaller of the pair, she is has much better conformation, movement, and she had a wonderful work ethic and is very ammy friendly.
                                She sounds great! I would love to see a photo of her and know about her breeding. If I'm reading correctly, you have 2 full siblings? I would love to pics of both of them. As a breeder this stuff really interests me
                                http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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                                  #56
                                  Originally posted by Sonesta View Post
                                  We did a custom foal for a COTH member (who will probably chime in here when she sees this thread) breeding one of our purebred Arabian mares to UB40. That colt (now gelding) is still the highest scoring horse in the YHS series for 2012. Finals are in January. He is gorgeous. See pic below.
                                  Yes! She does need to chime in here, I know this boy did very well this year! I've been waiting for this one to grow up, I dying to see him under saddle, he's a very nice boy
                                  http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by stripes View Post
                                    She sounds great! I would love to see a photo of her and know about her breeding. If I'm reading correctly, you have 2 full siblings? I would love to pics of both of them. As a breeder this stuff really interests me
                                    I did have 2 full siblings, sold the older one when she had a jumping career ending injury and I didn't need a trail only horse, as she hated dressage. She now babysits an rerider and packs her hubby in the mountains. The younger one is a lifer for me, she will never leave. Both are by the Oldenburg stallion First Class.

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                                    • #58
                                      As soon as my premium membership goes through, I'll post photos.

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                                      • #59
                                        Playland has been doing Irish Draught/Arabian crosses for over 10 years. They are using their 2nd Irish Draught stallion and have been taking some crosses back to Arabians. Their mare base was a number of Crabbet based mares. They have successfully bred and sold young crosses largely to Pony Clubbers and eventers and people looking for smaller sturdy sport horses to be successful in dressage and eventing. Not many are shown in the Arab circuit but they do well in open competition.
                                        http://www.playlandequestriancenter.com/sianna.html
                                        I think the main advantage to the Irish Draught cross is bringing in a easier, solid working temperament. The cross has built the farm. They have made great school horses as well as successful market horses.

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                                        • #60
                                          Just an observation on sales. I think the arabxwb cross has to be nicer than a straight wb to sell for the same money, if that makes sense. My friend had an arab/wb (bay with chrome) registered GOV, and she had a hard time selling her as many had preconcieved ideas about "spooky arabians." I'm not saying I believe this is true of all arabians, so please don't bite my head off, but this was the experience she had with a horse trained through second level. I think she should have gotten twice the money she did.

                                          She was also difficult to saddle fit--very broad backed. That could just be her though.

                                          I learned how to ride on (full) arabians and have a soft spot for them. They were more "alert" than everyone else's QH however, and a couple were definitely reactive in type. Often I find the (sometimes older) ammie who is interested in a smaller horse also really wants a super quiet horse.

                                          Again, I'm not saying every arabian is that way! You all have posted some beautiful crosses (I wish I could access FB at work Tamara! I want to see the Landkoenig cross). I just think any time you go outside the box you are facing a bit of an uphill battle. Still worth the endeavor though!
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