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Official Results from 2012 NA Stallion Test are posted!

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  • Official Results from 2012 NA Stallion Test are posted!

    Hello everyone!

    We would like to thank all the stallion owners for sending us their beloved boys this year. We thoroughly enjoyed working with this talented group and are excited for American breeders to have them right here and available for breeding! We were also very excited to have 21 stallions complete this test and have posted not only their indexes this year, but also their detailed score sheets as well. If you click on "Detailed Reports" at the bottom of the list of stallions and their indexes on the homepage of the website, you will see a .pdf of all of the score sheets. Congrats to all of these stallion owners and I can honestly say, "I can't wait till next year!!!!"

    Also, congrats to all the stallions who received new lifetime breeding licenses on Sunday...there were a lot.

    http://www.nastalliontesting.com
    Summer Stoffel
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    #2
    We also want to let you know that now that things have calmed down a little we will be doing a few more blog posts on how the final days are scored! So for all the blog junkies, we will wean you off slowly! Until next year that is....
    Summer Stoffel
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    • #3
      are the 3 jumbled scores scrached out?
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      • #4
        Kudos to Silver Creek for all your hard work!

        I do have one small critique/ question for the powers that be: given that this test happened in North America, the stallions will be standing in NA, and the mare owners who will use the stallions are in all likelihood based in NA, why are the detailed results given on German (language) forms? Is it too much to ask that the results be user-friendly for both German and English speakers/ readers?

        I don't mean to offend. This choice just seems counterintuitive. Or are we as an audience not really expected to view the detailed results?

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          #5
          The score sheets are in German because they are calculated in Germany (in order to be accepted by so many registries, this is the format that is required). However, we do provide a translation of these terms on the website for the American readers. These sheets were originally provided to the stallion owners only, but we are following the example of our German counterparts in publishing the raw scores - which help to provide a more accurate and complete picture anyways. Here is the link to the page with the translation of terms:

          http://www.nastalliontesting.com/ind...re-explanation
          Summer Stoffel
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SilverCreek View Post
            The score sheets are in German because they are calculated in Germany (in order to be accepted by so many registries, this is the format that is required). However, we do provide a translation of these terms on the website for the American readers. These sheets were originally provided to the stallion owners only, but we are following the example of our German counterparts in publishing the raw scores - which help to provide a more accurate and complete picture anyways. Here is the link to the page with the translation of terms:

            http://www.nastalliontesting.com/ind...re-explanation
            Thanks so much for posting this! I tried to use a web site to translate and I got "sprinkler system" instead of "free jumping technique"
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            • #7
              What's the story on the score for Watch Me Go Byebye? Not trying to pick on stallions or start any drama, but I'm curious as to how it's even possible to get a score that low! Presumably someone in the know can provide some insight?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by *Tradewind* View Post
                What's the story on the score for Watch Me Go Byebye? Not trying to pick on stallions or start any drama, but I'm curious as to how it's even possible to get a score that low! Presumably someone in the know can provide some insight?
                Read the detailed scoresheet here: http://www.nastalliontesting.com/doc...st_Results.pdf

                There is the matter of the bell curve, which I will admit to understanding more or less, but he clearly got lower raw scores than any other stallion...

                Love that you shared the raw scores SilverCreek! Very much appreciated and it really helps seeing through the indexes.
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                • #9
                  More Kudos and congratulations to Silver Creek - such a lot of work, planning, organization and execution - well done!

                  Congratulations to all the stallions and their owners who participated, and best of luck to them all as they move on to the next phase of their careers.
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                  • #10
                    Tradewind- Not in the know but can suggest that you look at the nature of normal distribution. The final numbers are a reflection of how much the horse "stuck out" from the group. If you have a group that is fairly uniform and then one horse is way below (or way above), you get extreme scores. I thought is was very good of Silver Creed to post the raw data. It shows people how the system works and why you get the results you do. And to add that it is mandated system from the governing bodies. I have issue with how they are using stats and believe their system to be antiquated. But it is not a criticism of Silver Creek, who did an excellent job of the system they were given to work with.

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                    • #11
                      Does anyone have the list of stallions that were approved by a registry?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by stoicfish View Post
                        Tradewind- Not in the know but can suggest that you look at the nature of normal distribution. The final numbers are a reflection of how much the horse "stuck out" from the group. If you have a group that is fairly uniform and then one horse is way below (or way above), you get extreme scores. I thought is was very good of Silver Creed to post the raw data. It shows people how the system works and why you get the results you do. And to add that it is mandated system from the governing bodies. I have issue with how they are using stats and believe their system to be antiquated. But it is not a criticism of Silver Creek, who did an excellent job of the system they were given to work with.
                        Fair enough, I should have considered the raw scores (especially since I teach statistics and I believe I was the one who posted the explanation of the normal distribution in response to the stallion testing last year )! It's still surprising that it's possible for a stallion to score that much lower than all the others when the final scores are calculated! It does make one wonder whether the scoring system is appropriate for the North American testing.

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                        • #13
                          The problem with the system is some of the stallions will have to fail...even if they are not sub-par. Those below the bell curve fail. Makes no sense to me either.
                          Originally posted by *Tradewind* View Post
                          Fair enough, I should have considered the raw scores (especially since I teach statistics and I believe I was the one who posted the explanation of the normal distribution in response to the stallion testing last year )! It's still surprising that it's possible for a stallion to score that much lower than all the others when the final scores are calculated! It does make one wonder whether the scoring system is appropriate for the North American testing.
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                          • #14
                            The "bell curve" part confuses me

                            Does it mean that if I have a stallion presented that is an okay mover - he's a 8 out of 10 in all of his gaits, and the year I present him all of the other stallions are also "okay" movers, he would get approved (all other things being equal) because he is part of an "okay" group and he doesnt "stick out" anywhere???

                            But - if I presented him in a year where all of the other stallions are in the league of Qredit - fabulous movers - he wouldnt get approved because his "8" "stuck out" compared to the other stallions???

                            So - an "8" might be okay this year for approval but not next year because of the luck of the draw and what stallions were in attendance?

                            Is that how the "Bell Curve" concept works?
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                            • #15
                              But don't the stallions in the middle of the bell curve represent the "median" for the stallions at that testing? And the stallions at the ends of the bell curve are either "above median" or "below median"? It would therefore seem to me it is appropriate that stallions "below median" fail - or, at least, the ones at the very bottom end of "below median". Otherwise, we are not moving breeding forward by trying to ensure that only the better stallions contribute to the gene pool.
                              Last edited by DownYonder; Nov. 13, 2012, 09:29 PM. Reason: clarification

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by TrueColours View Post
                                So - an "8" might be okay this year for approval but not next year because of the luck of the draw and what stallions were in attendance?
                                I am not sure you would need to worry about an "8" mover, unless every other horse there was a "10" in all three paces! And even then, he would need to fall far below the other stallions in other areas. But I believe gaits are weighted fairly low (2.5 for each gait, except - I think - cross-country gallop, which is weighted at 5), compared to other qualities, such character, temperament, willingness to work, jumping, etc. (weighted at 5), or rideability (weighted at 15).

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                                • #17
                                  I'm wondering what would typically scores a horse a 5 in the Character department? Would it be that the horse is quite hot? overly sensative, or maybe possesses a particularly aloof demeanor?

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                                  • #18
                                    I would like to know that too.... but will most likely not find out.

                                    Outside judge comes in for a week, two weeks before the end of the test. He/she is the one that awards that score. Stallion is not hot, not sensitive but is a bit cheeky. Maybe said "stallion" upsets/is disliked by the "guest judge". But that is what happens in tests. Not every stallion is going to be happy with his test rider, especially when he has been ridden quite well at home and away from home by other stallion riders. It happens and is part of the process. The testing is what it is.

                                    You prove them wrong by outstanding foals and good competition results. Even if you win the test, if you do not back it up with good foal crops and good competition results, so are toast.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Janeway View Post
                                      I'm wondering what would typically scores a horse a 5 in the Character department? Would it be that the horse is quite hot? overly sensative, or maybe possesses a particularly aloof demeanor?

                                      I'm wondering this too.... Is it like an overall impression thing? I'd assume it was along the lines of temperment and willingness to work, but they've got separate scores for those things.
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                                      • #20
                                        Wasnt it Voltaire that was one of the famous "failures" that didnt get approved when he went through his testing?
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