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  • Can this TB blood jump?

    I'm in a friendly fight about this pedigree. Can those in the know far more than I plse either confirm or deny this pedigree is good/bad jumper blood?


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  • #2
    No idea, but someone REALLY named their foal Ack Ack?
    The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


    • #3
      This pedigree should definitely be able to jump..

      Broad Brush, Buckpasser, HTF, Best Turn (sire of Hand in Glove who is in many a french pedigree including Jaguar Mail), Olden Times, Prince John AND this mare is out of the 1-L dam line that produced the likes of Speak John and Stage Door Johnny.

      Actually if you look at Hand In Glove's pedigree its very similar to this mare's.

      Just my two cents.
      Hickstead 1996-2011 Godspeed
      " Hickstead is simply the best and He lives forever in our hearts"
      Akasha 1992-2012 - I will always love you sweet girl.


      • #4
        Originally posted by JB View Post
        No idea, but someone REALLY named their foal Ack Ack?
        Yes. Nice horse, too.
        "No, not anything goes, I said no rules!"


        • #5
          Was he? I'd love to know
          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


          • #6
            I would say yes



            • #7
              I;m not a pedigree expert but I do like to see Hoist the Flag. IIRC he was a sire of some good jumping horses, including Salutely.
              "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

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              • #8
                Ack Ack was one hell of a race horse, winning the Horse of the Year title in 1971, along with the best handicap and best sprinter horse titles in the same year. If anyone is terribly curious, I have the 1972 American Racing Manual which includes a several page long summary of Ack Ack's accomplishments. It is a very neat thing to read.

                He is also considered a very nice sport horse influence in a pedigree, although the sire line has nearly died out, as Broad Brush died several years ago and his stallion sons have not exactly lit the racing world on fire. What's rather interesting is that the ARM talks about how Ack Ack could potentially revive the "doomed" Colin sire line, and now we have it dying out again. Viney could perhaps speak to the importance (or not) of that particular sire line.

                When I was looking through some of his progeny and their progeny, I ran across this colt:


                Who I would just love to see. He has a very cool pedigree from a sport horse perspective.

                I did see a son of Include this summer who was also QUITE lovely.
                Last edited by Simkie; Nov. 9, 2012, 06:13 PM.


                • #9
                  Originally posted by JB View Post
                  Was he? I'd love to know
                  Simkie beat me to it, but here are some links:


                  He was the sire of Broad Brush:


                  Broad Brush is the sire of Include, who has been producing some very nice horses (Panty Raid, Include Me Out, Redeemed, Her Smile, etc). This is probably the last hope for that sire-line, as well.


                  "No, not anything goes, I said no rules!"


                  • #10
                    Very cool, thank you both!
                    The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


                    • #11
                      Speaking of Broad Brush, this race always amuses me. Watch it:

                      "No, not anything goes, I said no rules!"


                      • #12
                        What? *you* didn't see the monster sitting on the rail? LOL!
                        The ninja monkeys are plotting my demise as we speak....


                        • #13
                          another just anecdotal peice of info.. Speak John was the great-dam sire of Mytens..Mytens dam sire is also Hoist the Flag..

                          Mytens is the sire of the likes of Mighty Magic, Watermill Rolex, Hamar etc.. along with being in the pedigree's of about 200 other sporthorses..

                          I just mention Speak John as this mare is out of the same dam line as he is.
                          Hickstead 1996-2011 Godspeed
                          " Hickstead is simply the best and He lives forever in our hearts"
                          Akasha 1992-2012 - I will always love you sweet girl.


                          • #14
                            Holy crap! LOLOL
                            The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by harvestmoon View Post
                              Speaking of Broad Brush, this race always amuses me. Watch it:

                              HA! "What? I thought we were done..."


                              • #16
                                I think Include will keep the line going. I've seen several in person who were very nice-- one G1-placed broodmare by Include who would've made a super event horse...big lovely mover, athletic. Another who was already eventing at beginner novice.

                                As harvestmoon mentioned, Include has had some solid racehorses lately, and standing at Airdrie he'll have good support (I don't see them shipping him off to Turkey anytime soon!).
                                “A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it.”
                                ? Albert Einstein



                                • #17
                                  I have a 19 y.o. Thoroughbred gelding who has been my dressage horse and is a grandson of Ack Ack (x Violado - who was a strip quality stallion). Violado won the Louisiana Derby over Creme Fraiche (Belmont winner) and was also an allowance winner in England. I took care of him, handled him to breed and galloped him, what a lovely horse he was inside and out! My gelding is a lovely classic TB with a ton of suspension in his trot, so I LOVE the Ack Ack line!

                                  The horse you asked about has a several crosses to Turn To as well as Double Jay, Hoist the Flag and another Man 'o War line as well as Speak John, and Buckpasser, so I'd say the pedigree indicates jumping should not be a problem. Post a photo. The Ack Ack and Buckpassers are lookers!



                                  • #18
                                    Hmmm. Took a look at Include's sons that are standing. Check out the pedigree on this guy:


                                    Out of a Raja Baba mare! The pic on PQ looks like it might be his yearling sales shot from OBS. Could be very interesting as an event horse sire. Only a few foals on the ground--2 in 2010, 1 in 2012 and no report of mares bred in yet this year.


                                    • #19
                                      Tom Fool was also a very good runner and considered one of the most beautiful horses ever from a conformation point of view..I like that mares pedigree alot.


                                      • #20
                                        With all the doofy warmblood names out there, you pick on Ack Ack?

                                        OK. So it might be a silly name.

                                        But I always look for his grandsire Armageddon in a pedigree, especially crossed with Turn-To because almost every TB I've seen with those two have had long race careers, and to me it shows extraordinary soundness.

                                        Oh - and Ack Ack had a descendant racing around here (Pennsylvania) in the past decade or so, called Ack Ack Ack.

                                        Just can't get enough of those Acks . . .
                                        Hidden Echo Farm, Carlisle, PA -- home of JC palomino sire Canadian Kid (1990 - 2013) & AQHA sire Lark's Favorite, son of Rugged Lark.