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  • #21
    Not that it really matters if Spectrum is not standing anymore but worth correcting anyway: from Silverwood Farm's website:'Spectrum has passed the 100 Day Test, with excellent scores for temperament, rideability and character.' Unless this is a different 100 day test that you are talking about.

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    • #22
      Ah...sorry czgm7r...you are very correct.
      Thank you for reminding me...I must be getting old!
      I do remember that now.....<smile>
      It is too bad Spectrum did not have frozen to use.
      Martha
      Breeder of Quality and Colour
      Tobiano Pinto Sporthorses
      www.jmrpintos.com

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      • #23
        I really like Wolkenzauber and Radikal very much. They both have wonderful lines top and bottom. Either one of them may fit your bill. Why can't you (wicked1) show the owner of the two sires a tape of your mare and inquire which one might improve your mare's qualities. It helps to talk to the SO, too. I am not a breeder myself, but if I had a pinto mare I would definitely look into those two sires at Cocolalla Creek. It won't hurt to give the SO a try.

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        • #24
          How about:

          http://www.glenwoodstud.co.uk/marco.html
          Horse Show Names Free name website with over 6200 names. Want to add? PM me!

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          • #25
            I think the OP is looking for tobiano color genetics. Wolkenzauber is sadly deseased and Radikal while a lovely is of the "Overo" pattern.
            Martha
            Breeder of Quality and Colour
            Tobiano Pinto Sporthorses
            www.jmrpintos.com

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            • #26
              I love my Sempatico boy to pieces and he has the easiest personality...

              That aside, what about the following 2 pinto stallions that I don't see Samber in their lines:

              Sir Cisco

              The eldest half brother (2005) Wiarpo (by Wind Dancer) is now in America and was sold as a “hunter jumper” – he licensed in Germany and was performance tested prior to going to America.




              Half brother (2006) Sir Cisco (Sancisco) is now standing in Norway and has qualified for the Bundeschampionate this August/September in the eventing section. Information on Sir Cisco here
              Cloverfox Stables

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              • #27
                Chess M died, was very sad. I saw him in the flesh last year and WOW.

                They have now imported Camero though to Australia. I don't know whether there is semen in Europe or NA but Camero is very, very nice Maybe email Kenlock, they are really lovely people.

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                • #28
                  Try to find an Ico or Icon son:
                  http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/icon8

                  There were some Icon sons in the states but I don't know were they are now. Icon went to GP, as I recall.

                  No Samber blood.
                  Proud member of the Colbert Dressage Nation

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by FLIPPED HER HALO View Post
                    I love my Sempatico boy to pieces and he has the easiest personality...

                    That aside, what about the following 2 pinto stallions that I don't see Samber in their lines:

                    Sir Cisco

                    The eldest half brother (2005) Wiarpo (by Wind Dancer) is now in America and was sold as a “hunter jumper” – he licensed in Germany and was performance tested prior to going to America.




                    Half brother (2006) Sir Cisco (Sancisco) is now standing in Norway and has qualified for the Bundeschampionate this August/September in the eventing section. Information on Sir Cisco here
                    Samber is back there in the dam line of Sir Cisco. Back there, but there none-the-less.

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                    • #30
                      I'm curious to hear what others think -- do you feel comfortable doubling up on the Samber if it is far enough back in the pedigree, and how far back would you consider "far enough"?

                      Sempatico, for example, has Samber three generations back, I think. The same with a couple of the Crestline stallions -- I think Samber is three generations back in the pedigrees of both Pallido Blu and Painted.
                      River Oaks Farm - home of the Elite Book Friesian Sporthorse Grand Prix dressage stallion Lexington - sire of four consecutive FSA National Inspection Champions. Endorsing the FSA.

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                      • #31
                        When I was turning over rocks for a non-Samber

                        I was warned by quite a few folks in Europe that even further back that "super heaviness" could show up from time to time. That was what prompted me to search for maybe a Trak bred stallion but with the economy...I decided to back away from breeding, so I never completed my task. Good luck.

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                        • #32
                          So sad to hear about Chess M. That trip is rough on a youngster!

                          Claim to Fame is 4 generations from Samber........so the foal would be 5 back! He is a hunter type stallion who still holds the record of the ONLY Tobiano pinto horse to win Hunter Breeding at Devon in 120+ years of record. He also did well on the A circuit before being retired to breeding. He also has a (non presented/approved) homozygous son, Counterclaim, who is 5 generations from Samber.
                          We also have frozen semen from a very unique pinto.......Colaire, who is 5 generations from Samber on the damline, and sired by the legendary Voltaire!
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                          Last edited by florida foxhunter; Oct. 22, 2012, 11:04 PM.
                          www.flyingcolorsfarm.comHome of pinto stallion Claim to Fame and his homozygous son, Counterclaim. Friend us on Facebook!https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Fl...04678589573428

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                          • #33
                            Been looking into this.

                            Many of the German registries absolutely would not register colored horses, period. Has nothing to do with the quality of the horse; the color was what disqualified them. Most German colored stallions are registered with Zfdp, and they do go through a grading.
                            I did find a stallion in the UK named Stanhope's Diddicoy. He's still active.
                            http://www.stanhopestud.com/
                            http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10417489
                            He gets his color from his sire, Ico. He's a fairly successful sire with numerous FEI level event horses to his credit.

                            There was an Ico son named Nekoma who jumped internationally. He has numerous stallion sons, including Nock-out who is approved with many registries--and is colored. He's available frozen from SES. He's Samber free.
                            http://www.superiorequinesires.com/s...snockout.shtml
                            Last edited by vineyridge; Oct. 13, 2012, 11:26 PM.
                            "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                              Been looking into this.

                              Many of the German registries absolutely would not register colored horses, period. Has nothing to do with the quality of the horse; the color was what disqualified them.
                              I believe this is correct for Hanover and Holstein, but I know that Oldenburg does register them, and will even license the stallions, assuming they meet the same quality standard as the "non-color" stallions.

                              That said, I don't believe there have been many of them licensed in Oldenburg, partly because the Germans as a whole don't like high color horses, and "colored" foals and young horses are harder to sell. So there aren't a lot of them bred, which makes for a very limited pool of quality colts for licensing.

                              IIRC, Paul Schockemoehle and Sissy Max-Theurer co-owned a pinto colt that got licensed at the main licensing event. It was quite a few years ago, so I am not sure I remember it correctly, but it may have been Sanyo. I think he was sold to Sprehe, but don't know where he is these days, or even if he is still a stallion. He had Samber in the pedigree, though - his sire Semper was Sandro/Samber.

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                              • #35
                                it was not Sanyo, was another one that was under 16 hh and therefore had no much interest from the breeders, he disappeared without hearing anything from him ever again.
                                Gwendolyn
                                http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.com
                                Exceptional colored German WBs, TBs and Arabians

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                                • #36
                                  We do have a buckskin tobiano Warmblood stallion that is 16.3 hh tall and has absolutetly no relation to Ico or Samber.
                                  Gwendolyn
                                  http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.com
                                  Exceptional colored German WBs, TBs and Arabians

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by RiverOaksFarm View Post
                                    I'm curious to hear what others think -- do you feel comfortable doubling up on the Samber if it is far enough back in the pedigree, and how far back would you consider "far enough"?
                                    We have line bred to Samber considerably, perhaps the fact that the lines that we have used have over 50% OX have helped maintain the refinement.

                                    One very exciting stallion at the moment is Roccossifred, if your looking at jumping bloodlines. He is only seven years old but really showing scope and talent to go all the way but that's hardly suprising given his pedigree.

                                    In showjumping Limbo has to be the most successful pinto progenitor of show jumpers.

                                    Seven year old Grand Prix Cluny

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                                    • #38
                                      L&L...
                                      About Roccossifred, ....are you going to have frozen? If so who will carry it in North America?
                                      I am in Canada...and we have 'spoken' via email before. <smile>
                                      I have a Sempatico daughter about 16.1 at 4yrs old...who is very refined whom I think may cross very well with him. She is in foal to Bon Balou for her first foal. As she is homozygous for tobiano and EE colour wise, foal will be pinto and a dark colour.
                                      My Samber grandaughter Faberge is showing a *lot* of talent for jumping ....she has only been started under saddle since I aquired her this spring...but is currently in foal to Banderas(Balou de Rouet xGrannus)...so she will have to slow down soon!
                                      I am seriously thinking frozen for some of my girls next spring.
                                      I have no issue with doubling up with Samber...really depends on the mare and her bloodlines.
                                      Martha
                                      Breeder of Quality and Colour
                                      Tobiano Pinto Sporthorses
                                      www.jmrpintos.com

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                                      • #39
                                        No connection with Roccosisfired Martha, he is represented by the Haras National

                                        They do have frozen semen not sure if its for export to the US best e-mail them

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by pinto power View Post
                                          L&L...
                                          I have a Sempatico daughter about 16.1 at 4yrs old...who is very refined whom I think may cross very well with him. She is in foal to Bon Balou for her first foal. As she is homozygous for tobiano and EE colour wise, foal will be pinto and a dark colour.
                                          ***drool icon****

                                          I bet that one will be NICE!!
                                          Draumr Hesta Farm
                                          "Wenn Du denkst es geht nicht mehr, kommt von irgendwo ein kleines Licht daher"
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