• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Holsteiner Verband Korung stallions

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Holsteiner Verband Korung stallions

    http://www.holsteiner-verband.de/cms...php?idart=4486


    Check out the breeder on number 8!
    www.octoberhill.com

    Jumpers Are Our Business.

  • #2
    How do you get the videos?
    It's not true that I had nothing on. I had the radio on.”
    ? Marilyn Monroe

    Comment


    • #3
      Congrats! That is awesome.

      Comment


      • #4
        Well done ! That is a big deal for US breeders! Congrats and best of luck!
        Hyperion Stud, LLC.
        Europe's Finest, Made in America
        WWW.HYPERIONSTUD.com
        Standing Elite and Approved Stallions

        Comment


        • #5
          Hi Wendy,

          Congratulations, I saw him as a yearling, and have known his dam since she was a yearling.
          The Contender mare, NOVIA was 56 bonit, states premium mare. She has been considered by many as the best Contender mare in the world. She is owned by Inken Johannsen Platen-Hallermund. Bayhawk sold Wendy Willa and she obviously bred her well. The Calido Colt was very magestic, and had lots of presence. He is a big mover, modern, and a beautiful topline. I will be watching him closely at the HengstKorung at the end of this month. The Coriano mare Willa is also half sister to an approved stallion by Clinton I named Coolidge. He bred 5 mares his first year (private stallion) and 1 was brought to Neumunster. That is just amazing. Stamm 474a is a great stamm. Concerto Grosso is also from this stamm and he stands here in the US. The Grand dam of Novia is full sister to the Grand dam of Concerto Grosso.

          Congratulations again Wendy.

          Tim
          Sparling Rock Holsteiners
          www.sparlingrock.com

          Comment


          • #6
            What a great achievement! Congrats!

            Wishing you best of luck for the licensing!

            Comment


            • #7
              What an achievement and reflection of your breeding program, congratulations! I'm very excited to be attending the approvals in Neumunster this year for the first time. Will any other COTHers be going? Will you be attending, Wendy?

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by *Tradewind* View Post
                What an achievement and reflection of your breeding program, congratulations! I'm very excited to be attending the approvals in Neumunster this year for the first time. Will any other COTHers be going? Will you be attending, Wendy?
                I will be going again this year.

                Tim
                Last edited by RyTimMick; Oct. 2, 2012, 02:38 PM.
                Sparling Rock Holsteiners
                www.sparlingrock.com

                Comment


                • #9
                  Congratulations! Lovely pedigree.

                  But I am curious if the mentioned mare is recognized as the "best" Contender mare, what are her or her offspring's performance credentials? Does best refer to best type and movement a la inspection score?

                  For example, consider Rosalia LS who is out of a Contender mare - her dam who has produced a well placed Olympic jumper - 5th individual - just recently in London.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by knowthatifly View Post
                    Congratulations! Lovely pedigree.

                    But I am curious if the mentioned mare is recognized as the "best" Contender mare, what are her or her offspring's performance credentials? Does best refer to best type and movement a la inspection score?

                    For example, consider Rosalia LS who is out of a Contender mare - her dam who has produced a well placed Olympic jumper - 5th individual - just recently in London.
                    Novia Contender/Lavall/Fernando Stamm 474a is a 56 Bonit, Statespremium mare with a 9 on type and Canter, with a 10 for jump and 10 rideability. She won her mare performance test and has had only 4 foals.
                    1st is an approved stallion who is very high in performance rankings for his age class and has sired a stallion prospect from his first foal crop

                    2nd is a International GP jumper by Cassini II

                    3rd is the dam of Wendy's stallion prospect in Neumunster - Broodmare

                    4rth is a Statespremium Quinar mare being kept for breeding. - Broodmare

                    As she stands she is considered as such, the best standing Contender mare. After she is done with her breeding career we will then be able to re-evaluate.

                    Tim
                    Sparling Rock Holsteiners
                    www.sparlingrock.com

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Do you have the name of her Cassini II offspring? Thanks!

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        What struck me was that the entire stallion population is becoming a C lines population. They have already lost the R line (now only occasionally found in a third or usually later generation) and are now losing the L line with only a modest influence of the Q (from the SF). I hope Diarado makes a lasting impact (but even he is C in the second and third generations with Lord and Ramiro in the following fourth and fifth generations, respectively.)

                        Maybe it is just the evolution of the Holsteiner breed, but its genetics are coming closer and closer together. And you see very little addition of potential new blood in this keuring list. Doubtful any of the outsiders will get approved--and if they do, then doubtful the breeders will even use them if history repeats.

                        Ultimately, what might save the breed is use of its stallions in other populations. Look at the success of the Dutch for example and the creation of a whole new "breed", so to speak (in large part built on the introduction of the Holsteiner in the 80's).
                        Discipline is the Bridge between Dreams and Accomplishments

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Also the offspring "approved stallion" - his name and sire? Thanks!

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by knowthatifly View Post
                            Do you have the name of her Cassini II offspring? Thanks!
                            Tuya, owned by Bonnie Smith.

                            Tim
                            Sparling Rock Holsteiners
                            www.sparlingrock.com

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by knowthatifly View Post
                              Also the offspring "approved stallion" - his name and sire? Thanks!
                              Coolidge, Clinton I/Contender/ Lavall I

                              Here is is link. http://www.holsteiner-verband.de/cms...x=yes&pageno=3

                              Tim
                              Sparling Rock Holsteiners
                              www.sparlingrock.com

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by RyTimMick View Post
                                Tuya, owned by Bonnie Smith.

                                Tim
                                Tuya is not an international jumper. She is here in the states and has jumped some mini prix's I think.

                                She is the mom of a Quinar filly that has been winning classes in FL .

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Bayhawk View Post
                                  Tuya is not an international jumper. She is here in the states and has jumped some mini prix's I think.

                                  She is the mom of a Quinar filly that has been winning classes in FL .
                                  Thank-you for correction of facts.
                                  "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by feather river View Post
                                    What struck me was that the entire stallion population is becoming a C lines population. They have already lost the R line (now only occasionally found in a third or usually later generation) and are now losing the L line with only a modest influence of the Q (from the SF). I hope Diarado makes a lasting impact (but even he is C in the second and third generations with Lord and Ramiro in the following fourth and fifth generations, respectively.)

                                    Maybe it is just the evolution of the Holsteiner breed, but its genetics are coming closer and closer together. And you see very little addition of potential new blood in this keuring list. Doubtful any of the outsiders will get approved--and if they do, then doubtful the breeders will even use them if history repeats.

                                    Ultimately, what might save the breed is use of its stallions in other populations. Look at the success of the Dutch for example and the creation of a whole new "breed", so to speak (in large part built on the introduction of the Holsteiner in the 80's).

                                    I know many know this already, but there are two seperate C lines in Holstein. The Cottage Son XX line and Cor de la Bryere Line. The Cottage SonXX line is Capitol. We all know that there is a lot of sires with this pedigree, but keep in mind the majority of the great horses keeping Holstein on top are not in bred. Here are some examples:

                                    Corrado I- Corde/Capital/MaestoseXX/FrivolXX

                                    Cassini I/II - Capitol/Caletto II/Mahmud/Cobalt (2 half breds)

                                    Contender - Calypso II/Ramiro/LadykillerXX

                                    Carthago - Capitol/CalandoI/Mambo/Consul (2 half breds)

                                    Caretino - Caletto II/Metellus/Aldato (Half bred)

                                    Casall - Caretino/Lavall/Raimond

                                    Calido - Cantus/Coriolan/Roman

                                    Canturo - Cantus/Calando I/Landego

                                    etc. Yes some have double Corde, but he was an outcross stallion who was by the TB Rantzau XX. Complete outcross blood.

                                    2 years ago the seigerhengst was by Larimar - Lavall II/Lord/Little Lion XX/GalapeterXX. Lavall II is 3/4 TB and Lord is 1/2. The year before that was Diarado, a Half bred by Diamant De Semilly. Those that are concerned about the Holsteiner horse are just not looking closely enough. We must seperate the sport horses and our breeding stock when evaluating availability of fresh genetics. You can not look at our Sport horses to evaluate the herd in this manner.

                                    Tim
                                    Sparling Rock Holsteiners
                                    www.sparlingrock.com

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by ponygirl View Post
                                      Thank-you for correction of facts.
                                      She was entered into a 1.45 jpr Prix last week. She isn't a international GP jumper yet... She is only 9 and under a new rider.

                                      Tim
                                      Sparling Rock Holsteiners
                                      www.sparlingrock.com

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by RyTimMick View Post
                                        She was entered into a 1.45 jpr Prix last week. She isn't a international GP jumper yet... She is only 9 and under a new rider.

                                        Tim
                                        I saw that as well but there is a big difference between doing 1 class at 1.45 and being an International GP jumper as we all know. I wish them success!
                                        "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X