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  • From (occasionally) watching Hoarders type shows, many times the hoarders do have a background in the medical field. Of course, many might be saying nurse or other trained person, and actually mean they are home health aides or other untrained people. In fact almost every article I've read about this problem has discussed the health care link, and no one knows why so many people who go on these shows and are level 5 (the worst level) hoarders are in the field (or in many cases used to be once the show airs).

    And I have read that the new DSM V will include hoarding as an actual diagnosis. Does this mean that hoarders will be a protected class and able to get disability payments? And will this complicate intervention by codes enforcement? Something to think about.
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    • I have to wonder why so many people want to make this not her fault.

      Sigh.

      I am now going to proclaim my poor house keeping skills are a mental illness (and no my house does not look anywhere near that bad).



      OP, so glad you were able to get your elderly in laws out of her grasp and into a better situation.

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      • Originally posted by Lynnwood View Post
        So we know she has an active FB and even the likes of Brandon Gibson are on there recently begging for her to respond to them. You know THEE Brandon Gibson that handled her filly to a win at Devon.

        Why are those photos not posted on her FB page for the rest of her unsuspecting clients to see ?

        https://www.facebook.com/jill.burnell.9

        Yes, this is THE Brandon Gibson that handled Arbor Day to the BYH at Devon which is owned solely by ME. I own several foals by her stallions that I have bred or have bought from JB.

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        • Originally posted by DeucesWild11 View Post
          I reported her page to FB - as a scam. I also informed FB that she has an outstanding warrant. MAYBE they will do something for it..

          Also, what do you guys think about starting a FB page AGAINST her and let people know what they might be getting into? I'd be willing to start it. If we can combat her excellent FB presence it might make more of a difference so noone else gets screwed..
          There was a FB page against her started a few weeks ago. Not sure if it was taken down voluntarily or if FB pulled the plug in response her JB's inevitable lawsuit threat. I think that is her favorite word.
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          • Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
            Maybe someone should put a cross-post on the H/J forum. Sadly, as long as h/j breeding judges keep putting the Redwine foals up at breeding shows, and people keeping falling all over themselves to buy them, and breeding trainers/handlers keep referring clients to GFF, the madness will continue.

            And I would not be surprised to learn that Eagle74 is JB herself.
            So Gibson and I should have our animals blackballed? All I did was follow recommendations I got mainly from this forum and thankfully got away unscathed with a nice filly. I don't see why I should be punished for that. I guarantee you that my filly hasn't done anything to be punished for either. It's not like I bought a puppy mill puppy. She was born in my barn, pulled out with my hands and resuscitated with my own breath. That is as homebred as they can come.
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            • Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
              Sadly, as long as h/j breeding judges keep putting the Redwine foals up at breeding shows, and people keeping falling all over themselves to buy them, and breeding trainers/handlers keep referring clients to GFF, the madness will continue.
              You can't be serious? So you are asking judges everywhere to "compromise" their code of ethics and not place a horse that they "think" might be a Redwine foal, that likely does NOT belong to Jill, and owned by one of her innocent and unsuspecting clients...and that's going to put her out of business.
              Last edited by Daventry; Aug. 21, 2012, 01:41 PM.
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              • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                ... All I did was follow recommendations I got mainly from this forum
                Interesting point. If you do a search you'll find all sorts of threads about Jill, Gray Fox Farm and Redwine. There are many many posters who at one time recommended Jill and /or Redwine very highly, many specifically complimented her customer service. I wonder if they were just flat wrong or if something happened to drastically change things.
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                • Let's not bash the owners of Horses sired by JB stallion. They are victims as well. I hope this community can bands together to support them with constructive advise "if asked for" and keep the focus on JB and her issues. Laurie and Brandon are owners who ultimately got lucky with their get. Please leave them out of this mess.

                  I usually don't post often, but follow the thread as a person who never got her breeding fulfilled as Federalist semen was very poor, several years in a rowI've cut my losses and am moving on, but I too lost sleep wondering at what point things turned. I remember when Jill was only breedin 2-4 mares. Although I'd never recommend her, I am curious why non of her"friends" have stepped in to help.

                  Sorry to all effected and my heart goes out to the SIL, brother and parents.
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                  • Originally posted by eagle74 View Post
                    I think everyone needs to step back and re-think what you are posting! You are replying to one "accusation" from a sister-in-law and crucifying Jill off the post. I've been to GFF 6 times in the last 5 months ( see attached photos ) and have seen zero evidence of any abuse or mistreatment of any Horse. The Stallions are gorgeous and well cared for, there hasn't been any evidence of overcrowding and the horses have always approached Jill without any hesitation. You're messing with someone's lively hood by jumping on the bandwagon and I would be very careful about posting defamatory statements without any basis for doing so. I can't vouch for the inside of the house as I never went in but to be honest, it isn't anyone's business but Jill's! Three times when I was there, the parents drove away on their own, if they were being abused I would bet they could have jumped in their car and left. In regards to Animal Control coming, does anyone have any reports or code infractions to validate the accusations? Post them! If anyone would like, PM me with your number and I will call you with my observations! I've been there, the pictures show the conditions of the horses and the pastures so if you haven't been there yourself, maybe it's best you keep your comments to yourself!

                    http://s1168.photobucket.com/albums/...cpZZ1QQtppZZ28
                    After viewing the photos you placed on photobucket, how can you state that "there is no evidence of overcrowding"? There isn't a scrap of grass or shade anywhere, the babies and dams are confined to small dirt pens. How is this not overcrowding? How is having no shelter from the elements (not even a freaking run in shed) acceptable care?

                    I would never want one of my mares at Jill's "farm". Period.

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                    • Originally posted by Prime Time Rider View Post
                      After viewing the photos you placed on photobucket, how can you state that "there is no evidence of overcrowding"? There isn't a scrap of grass or shade anywhere, the babies and dams are confined to small dirt pens. How is this not overcrowding? How is having no shelter from the elements (not even a freaking run in shed) acceptable care?

                      I would never want one of my mares at Jill's "farm". Period.
                      Again and it was bashed before but Jill's farm is the equine equivalent to a puppy mill. It makes me so very sad that she has a number of really classy horses that don't deserve to live in those conditions. Feel even more sadness for the mare owners who sold their nice girls to her believing they were going to a good home and now have to live with knowing the truth about who/where they are with no ability to get them back.

                      I feel even worse for the good people who have stood up for her and put their reputations on the line as friends /co workers. It must be a really bad feeling to want to help someone but be unable to because they will not begin to help themselves.
                      "I would not beleive her if her tongue came notorized"

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                      • Originally posted by Go Fish View Post
                        But don't they require blood typing? Thought I heard that somewhere.
                        No. If the foal is presented at the mare's side then ISR/Old NA does not do any type of parentage verification.
                        Already excited about our 2016 foals! Expecting babies by Indoctro, Diamant de Semilly, Zirocco Blue and Calido!
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                        • Originally posted by Cartier View Post
                          Interesting point. If you do a search you'll find all sorts of threads about Jill, Gray Fox Farm and Redwine. There are many many posters who at one time recommended Jill and /or Redwine very highly, many specifically complimented her customer service. I wonder if they were just flat wrong or if something happened to drastically change things.
                          LOL, one of the people who pushed her the most was "spacley", remember her? She TOO was a hoarder and a crook who had several warrants out for her, and who lost all her horses for non-payment of board.

                          It REALLY is important sometimes to know who is talking. There are many people on these boards who are not the people they present themselves to be.
                          On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

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                          • I have never had any dealings with Jill or thoughts one way or another, but really find it strange that many people I absolutely trust have befriended her, and many others that I also absolutely trust, are adamantly against her.

                            Originally posted by Prime Time Rider View Post
                            There isn't a scrap of grass or shade anywhere, the babies and dams are confined to small dirt pens. How is this not overcrowding? How is having no shelter from the elements (not even a freaking run in shed) acceptable care?
                            The climate is what is allowing the lack of sheds. I just looked it up, and it is a high of barely low 80s for the worst of the summer. Dropping as a low to around 40 for the coldest nights. That is just an ideal climate. Does she have a barn and stalls for newborns? No horse is going to suffer at 80, or 40 degrees. It is delightful.

                            The horses appear to be in great shape from the photos, so unless others are hidden away, not sure that is abuse.

                            I have never been to CA, but it seems most horses out on the west coast are living with no grass, in pipe corrals? Not for me, but I am not sure I wouldn't do that if that IS what choice I had.

                            As a stallion owner in a very limited home, I also set up my lab in the kitchen. Unfortunately for me, I did it almost daily, for many years. If I had a collection, I cleaned my kitchen, and brought in all of my breeding equipment that is stored in 3 rubber tubs in my barn, and set it all up.

                            As soon as the collection was packed up, everything went back in the tubs, and carried back to storage. Trust me, if anything had been left out, my family would have squealed. Especially my son who would walk much faster passing thru if he saw what I was doing.

                            I produced very good quality semen doing it this way - far better than 2 of our local Repro specialty places that had previously collected my stallion.

                            That said, if the SIL's photos are correct, that is really sad.

                            This situation is very confusing when I look it who's opinion I have confidence in.

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                            • She hasn't been too active on FB lately either. You never know about people do you?

                              The pictures show quite a few credit card numbers, complete with security code. Can we please get them removed. Better yet- if you know any of those people, tell them to have their cc# changed!

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                              • IMO, it is really important to spell out Jill Burnell & Gray Fox Farm -- and make sure that mares are being sought by her husbnd, Alex Burnell.

                                There is a nice poster, JB; and others have pointed out that there are reputable farms w/ similar names (grey vs. gray). Anyway, I just think it is important factually and visually to spell out the names for future potential victims.
                                Disclaimer: Just a beginner who knows nothing about nothing

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                                • Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
                                  Gimme a break with the "my house is a mess too" statement.

                                  My house is NOT a place of business and obviously if I am doing business with you and you decide not to have a seperate area to handle my product (horse semen in this case), then your business is my business (pardon the word play).

                                  If she has a seperate lab then give me proof of that... Otherwise I have no choice but to take the word of the sister in law that her work space was not only less than sterile but actually a germ infested and possibly HAZARDOUS area that could cause major health issues for a mare in reciept of this semen.

                                  Luckily I listened to those who warned on coth before and talked a few breeders OUT of messing with this farm and the very unhealthy and criminal owner.
                                  Not to mention the EVA positive stallion!! Sharing a lab with all her stallions in this condition with Redwine in the mix?? Mental.

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                                  • Originally posted by Perfect Pony View Post
                                    LOL, one of the people who pushed her the most was "spacley", remember her? She TOO was a hoarder and a crook who had several warrants out for her, and who lost all her horses for non-payment of board.

                                    It REALLY is important sometimes to know who is talking. There are many people on these boards who are not the people they present themselves to be.
                                    I had no idea... We typically follow issues, and certain breeding stallions and their offspring, rather than people. So, with a few exceptions, we almost never notice the poster. E.g. there is a poster here who boards at our trainer's farm... we barely know her.
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                                    • And for further proof...

                                      Picture of Romantic Star with Chad Keenum in top left of picture...

                                      http://www.flickr.com/photos/51498400@N03/7780753996/
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                                      • Thanks Daventry, definitely not a good idea, although I was just brainstorming.
                                        Last edited by DeucesWild11; Aug. 20, 2012, 02:27 PM. Reason: Changed my mind
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                                        • I made my own decision based upon many factors when I chose to breed to Redwine. Not just what people said, but what they did as well. It was clear he was the flavor of the month for quite a while on this forum but much of that was pretty pony lover's gushing over the bling as opposed to real breeder's constructively evaluating his pluses and minuses. What sealed the deal was two people who I did and very much still do admire and respect both them and their breeding programs choosing to use him for their own mares. It was only later that I found out the breedings were to settle a debt so they could cut ties more or less. Still, my only regret is every time my filly does well it gives her free advertising. She even has her grand champion pic on her website. I guess she got that off my facebook page.
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