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Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

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  • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
    There was a FB page against her started a few weeks ago. Not sure if it was taken down voluntarily or if FB pulled the plug in response her JB's inevitable lawsuit threat. I think that is her favorite word.
    Facebook took down the page http://www.facebook.com/PeopleDamagedByJillBurnell ... it lasted a day or two and had over 60(?) "likes" along with multiple horror stories.

    Condensed version to the creation of that page is Stephanie Sjoberg (I have permission to use her name) is being sued for $10k for a mare she decided NOT to sell to JB. Unfortunately she had not done her homework before committing to this "forever home" sale. Then she was referred to some COTH threads and decided there was enough negativity surrounding the foreclosure, warrants, misrepresentation, etc. that she wouldn't risk her mare and cancelled the deal. Immediately trying to refund the money. JB felt she was entitled to $10k (she had paid a $500 via PayPal).

    SS tried several times to refund the money, JB refused refund ... then sued her for $10k. It is going to court because Jill turned down the refund at the hearing and demanded at least 3 times the original amount. It's no wonder the legal system gets so bogged down ... how could you possibly justify entitlement of $10k for a $500 investment?

    I'm not an attorney but it seems to me that if she does have open arrest warrants, wouldn't her appearance in court be the perfect time for her to be picked up?
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    • I don't understand, if she owes so much money, why on earth is she buying more horses? Especially broodmares! That's business 101 pay off your debts.

      I'm still just crossing my fingers that A. No semen was mixed up in that crazy lab and B. I'm hoping noone got redwine's positive semen on accident.

      And kmsuds, Could you please use just ONE comma at a time? Better yet, use a period! It's making my eyes bleed and my dyslexia freak out. Thanks.
      I see distances. Most times more than one. Sometimes I pick the right one, sometimes I pick the wrong one, and sometimes I close my eyes and let Jesus take the wheel.

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      • Appsolute, link isn't working. Just curious how many people posting on here have competed against GFF foals and lost or won?

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        • Originally posted by eagle74 View Post
          Appsolute, link isn't working. Just curious how many people posting on here have competed against GFF foals and lost or won?
          Jill, don't you have better things to do? Maybe rent a dumpster or 12? I am ashamed that my lovely filly is a walking billboard for your breeding program. Maybe I should change her to unknown breeding? That seems to be one of your favorite tricks.
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          • Originally posted by eagle74 View Post
            Appsolute, link isn't working. Just curious how many people posting on here have competed against GFF foals and lost or won?
            I fixed the link. I have never competed against JB. I am an eventer. Sorry, not jealousy. I just think the horse industry should chase scammers out of business with flaming pitch forks.

            If you google "Sonoma county grantor grantee" the links will come up. It is all public information. Looks like the County of San Mateo will have listings for JB as well.
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            • Ummm, if her house is that poorly taken care of and there are dead chickens in the bath tub and dog crap all over the house.... then why hasn't anyone called the ASPCA or animal cruelty on her? the ASPCA would take the horses, dogs, chickens and who knows what else from her with those pictures and find them good homes!

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              • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                Nope. I couldn't believe it since I am used to JC rules. My filly looks like a Redwine for the most part so most likely is but she has similar looking stallions so it isn't a given especially when you know how shady the whole operation is. I can see no benefit to opening that can of worms now however. She is who she is.
                Depends on the registry. To the best of my knowledge ALL registries require DNA of stallions and AHS requires DNA of foals.

                I know RPSI doesn't require DNA of foals.

                But for $75 you can get your mare or foal DNA'ed yourself, as long as you have access to the foal. The lab will contact the registry where the stallion's DNA is listed to compare.

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                • Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                  So Gibson and I should have our animals blackballed?
                  Not at all what I was implying!!

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                  • Originally posted by eagle74 View Post
                    Appsolute, link isn't working. Just curious how many people posting on here have competed against GFF foals and lost or won?

                    As a majority of the horse people on this board are from the east coast, where the majority of HB occurs, not many.

                    And it's been stated that the reason Jill Burnell is ranked number one in hunter breeding (not actual hunters) is because she drags a whole pile of babies to a couple shows in Cali and racks up points there, where she is only competing against herself. So probably a small select few have competed against her.

                    That was stated in a previous Do not do business with Gray Fox Farm or Jill Burnell thread.
                    I see distances. Most times more than one. Sometimes I pick the right one, sometimes I pick the wrong one, and sometimes I close my eyes and let Jesus take the wheel.

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                    • I prefer to deal with honest horseman who can be trusted. Reputations are earned over time. Jill Burnell's BAD reputation has been earned over time and the misdeeds are well documented.

                      A person like Ms. Burnell who blames her mother for losing a mare's papers, which was the situation as explained by one registry to me in my struggle to get my Redwine filly's papers (the email has been printed and saved), must be a terrible, terrible disappointment to the mother, which, in my opinion, is the greatest tragedy in this sad story. Who puts the blame for their own incompetence or deliberate fraudulence on their aging mother? To be a disappointment to one's parents and for those parents to realize what their own married lives have produced ................that's tragic. Using an alternative name to put down one's sister-in-law for stating the truth isn't surprising. Brave of her sister to come forward, in my opinion, but also sad to feel she must come forward.

                      The folk who continue to do business with this woman must either have something going with her or be very naive. She doesn't have much repeat business or, if so, it's built on promises that are ultimately unfulfillable and that seems to be the case for the breaches with owners/trainers here on the East Coast.

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                      • Originally posted by Daventry View Post
                        You can't be serious? So you are asking judges everywhere to "compromise" their code of ethics and not place a horse that they "think" might be a Redwine foal, that likely does NOT belong to Jill, and owned by one of her innocent and unsuspecting clients...and that's going to put her out of business.

                        What IS going to put Jill out of business once and for all is to have everybody keep putting the word out there and letting everyone know about the three ring circus that is Gray Fox Farm and the unethical business dealings of Jill Burnell. The more people that know who the real Jill Burnell is, the better. If she's not able to sell horses any more or sell semen, that is what's going to put her out of business. Period!

                        Sadly, Jill Burnell is likely not going to seek help for her problem. I have a family member who is a hoarder, and it is not a disorder that is easily rectified...especially if you don't have a great family support....and with Jill's family members outing her on a public forum (which needed to be done), I doubt she has much support.

                        (The more people that post about Jill Burnell and Gray Fox Farm, the more these threads show up in the search engines and maybe it will help stop more Mare Owners and buyers from doing business with her!)
                        Nope, not what I meant and sorry you interpreted my post that way.

                        But again - as long as that particular "look" is all the rage in hunter breeding, folks will keep buying Redwine foals, breeding to him. etc. And trainers/handlers who want to win in the ring will keep pointing clients toward horses with "that look". It's a conumdrum - how do you stop her, when her stallion is siring foals that folks want?

                        Edited to add - FWIW - unfortunately, she currently leads the USEF Hunter Breeding rankings.
                        http://www.usef.org/_IFrames/pointsA...HunterBreeding

                        And again - a cross-post on the H/J forum, pointing folks to this thread, would not be a bad idea.

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                        • Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
                          Nope, not what I meant and sorry you interpreted my post that way.

                          But again - as long as that particular "look" is all the rage in hunter breeding, folks will keep buying Redwine foals, breeding to him. etc. And trainers/handlers who want to win in the ring will keep pointing clients toward horses with "that look". It's a conumdrum - how do you stop her, when her stallion is siring foals that folks want?

                          And again - a cross-post on the H/J forum, pointing folks to this thread, would not be a bad idea.
                          The stallion and his get are not the problem though. The proof is in the pudding so to speak, they are nice horses. The only way to stop her is to make it clear that nice horse or not, it isn't worth dealing with her. It's like russian roulette and the odds are not in the breeder's favor. That is what we need to make clear without punishing the animals that already exist.
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                          • Originally posted by DownYonder View Post


                            Edited to add - FWIW - unfortunately, she currently leads the USEF Hunter Breeding rankings.
                            http://www.usef.org/_IFrames/pointsA...HunterBreeding
                            Eek, she not only leads the list, she has more points then the next three on the list combined. And here’s another surprise, in the top 50 breeders - there is only one (24th) in the top 50 that is from VA. I would have thought that as a group VA breeders dominated this ranking. We don’t do Hunters… how meaningful / credible are these sorts of statistics. Are there lots of Hunters that are simply listed as “pedigree unknown” so breeders don’t get credit?
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                            • Originally posted by Iron Horse Farm View Post
                              I have no dog in this fight, but I don't actually believe this to be true.

                              I only use GOV or AHS for foals, and I know that ROmantic Star (and maybe one of the others?) is approved for GOV breeding because I looked at him.

                              And GOV DOES require DNA of foals.
                              Here is my quote:
                              Originally Posted by DownYonder
                              ISR/ONA does not require any kind of parentage verification for foals presented at the dam's side.

                              Aloha and Redwine are both black with chrome.

                              Aloha, Redwine and Romantic Star are still on the ISR/ONA stallion roster. She only provides breeding certs for that registry and will not support any registry that does parentage verification
                              .

                              So where did I say that OHBS/GOV does not require parentage verification via DNA?

                              And yes, Romantic Star was approved by OHBS/GOV, as was Redwine. But they are no longer on the roster because their stallion dues have not been paid for several years.

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                              • Originally posted by Cartier View Post
                                Eek, she not only leads the list, she has more points then the next three on the list combined. And here’s another surprise, in the top 50 breeders - there is only one (24th) in the top 50 that is from VA. I would have thought that as a group VA breeders dominated this ranking. We don’t do Hunters… how meaningful / credible are these sorts of statistics. Are there lots of Hunters that are simply listed as “pedigree unknown” so breeders don’t get credit?
                                VA has a much shorter show season. CA and FL have shows in Dec. and Jan., all winter. VA starts in late March and ends in Sept.
                                Laurie

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                                • crossposted on HJ board...
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                                  • Originally posted by Laurierace
                                    JI am ashamed that my lovely filly is a walking billboard for your breeding program. Maybe I should change her to unknown breeding? That seems to be one of your favorite tricks.

                                    No, don't be! Remember you have a nice mare! The mare is more than 50% after all!
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                                    • FLAMING PITCHFORK POSSE - thx Appsolute

                                      Originally posted by Appsolute View Post
                                      just think the horse industry should chase scammers out of business with flaming pitch forks.

                                      Proud to Run w/ Appsolute's FLAMING PITCHFORK POSSE


                                      We are not really Anonymous. We are Legion - well LEGENDARY in our own minds. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us. And, please have popcorn & cocktails / boxed wine:

                                      And, seriously, if you EVER think that anything on CotH is untoward; do not ever make the mistake of going to 4chan to see what those crazy /b/ people are all about. And, if you have kids -- get software to block that But, if you did happen to be connected to those people; this mess would have been shut down long ago in a spectacular way. I just doubt they're into horses, since hacking is an inside sport, I think.

                                      And, yes this is a serious situation, but personally, I HAVE to try to find bits of humor when I can, or I would not be able to keep going some days.
                                      Disclaimer: Just a beginner who knows nothing about nothing

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                                      • Originally posted by eagle74 View Post
                                        Appsolute, link isn't working. Just curious how many people posting on here have competed against GFF foals and lost or won?
                                        I definitely don't breed hunters, show on the line or own any stallions.
                                        Already excited about our 2016 foals! Expecting babies by Indoctro, Diamant de Semilly, Zirocco Blue and Calido!
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                                        • So this is creepy. I just re-read the stolen filly thread- eagle sounds JUST like royparker. Right down to the 3 sides to a story quote.. Any chance BOTH of them are Jill Burnell?
                                          I see distances. Most times more than one. Sometimes I pick the right one, sometimes I pick the wrong one, and sometimes I close my eyes and let Jesus take the wheel.

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