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  • *Crop Out* Standardbred born in Sweden ...

    http://www.travronden.se/edrum.jsp?article=23638

    How fascinating!

    The sire - Muscle Memory - is a plain plain bay stallion with not a smidge of white on him anywhere and the dam is a dark bay/black with no seeming white on her anywhere either

    DNA tests have been completed and it is now verified that the sire and dam information is correct and he is now a registered Standardbred.

    Where the wild colouring came from is anybody's guess (a VERY recessive gene somewhere!) but wouldnt you have LOVED to have been there when this fellow popped out in the world to see the faces on everybody in attendance!
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    WOW!!! Can anyone say heartattack when he was born!! OMG!! Not what anyone would expect for sure!

    What nice colouring though...
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    • #3
      He's stunning!!

      What a shock though
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      • #4
        Very cool! I'd say sabino but he looks a good bit like a tobiano also. How cute!

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          wow that is crazy
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            How does that happen? I did not know tobiano could hide? (not a color expert!)
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Signature View Post
              How does that happen? I did not know tobiano could hide? (not a color expert!)
              Tobiano does not hide so it's very unlikely that is what he is. I just meant that his markings were similar to one. I would be pretty sure he's a sabino. That gene can do some weird stuff! I've had two crop out sabino fillies in the last three years that were very extensively marked compared to both sire and dam.

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              • #8
                Could be that he is the first in line of a new mutation.

                I bet the breeder was shocked.

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                  does anyone know if they plan on having him tested? tobino and the like?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                    Could be that he is the first in line of a new mutation.
                    That is what I think.
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                    • #11
                      I would also say it looks like a new mutation as it looks tobiano and sabino, maybe it will be a Tobino.....
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                        Wow, unbelievable!
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                        • #13
                          WOW!

                          Does totally look 'tovero' on the exterior. Will be SUPER interested to see how this plays out...

                          How amazing!

                          I wonder if it's the kind of maximal sabino that will 'fade' to almost all white?

                          WOW! I have to print that and bring it to the track on Tuesday!!
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                          • #14
                            My thought is that he's Splash and Sabino, which really can hide, even for a long time. I don't see Tobiano at all, regardless of the parents looking it or not. I've only seen one solid horse who tested Toto. I've seen quite a few minimals where the only real signs were some white over the hock and white right at the base of the tail.
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                              JB - I have to agree with you. I'd pick splash and sabino if I had to guess on visual signs as well ... ... but he does look like a sabino / tobiano cross too doesnt he?!

                              pintopiaffe - he wont be a maximally expressed sabino at all. Those are usually all white or mostly all white with a medicine hat of colour on their ears and forelock only

                              he is very very cool though no matter what his colour is "officially". It will be neat to see him at the races and then later on in the breeding shed. Hope they let him keep his "jewels" for awhile to see if the colour passes on ...
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                              • #16
                                Hee hee! I'll bet the breeder was thinking that the neighbor's pinto whatever got to her before they bred her!!

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                                • #17
                                  This is not unheard of with Standardbreds. There are two pure white ones in Canada: Mr Clean, registered as grey with (albino) markings, and Historicallyunique, registered as white with flesh coloured muzzle. There is also Im A Standardbred, a chestnut gelding, 4 white legs, white face, and white markings on his barrel, who raced a few years ago in Ontario. Now, Mr Clean, I know his immediate ancestors, watched many of them race, and have no idea where the all over white came from. Historicallyunitque was the straw that broke the tradition at SC and USTA and forced them to make white a colour. There have been horses born with excessive white for decades, and all since the mid-70's are parentage verified DNA, and previous verified by blood typing. I have lost the link (and everything else when puter died) but there are several lines of pinto Standardbreds in Australia, all DNA verified. I have seen lots of high white, belly splashes, roan patches, etc. in Standardbreds not to be surprised at a pinto colt...

                                  Is he cute? Yes. But he isn't that much of an oddball for our breed, unocmmon, yes, but certainly not unheard of by a long shot. I can't track his maternal line to see where it comes from, but back in the sire's line there is some white, in fact a lot of it.
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                                    http://www.kentuckianafarms.com/docu...essRelease.doc

                                    Cullen to America:
                                    Kentuckiana Farms to Stand Australasian Super Sire Christian Cullen

                                    ...Ken Jackson also explained another key reason for Kentuckiana's desire to secure Christian Cullen, "In 2004, the USTA engaged Dr. Gus Cothran of the University of Kentucky to study the dramatic loss in genetic variation in the Standardbred horse. This study led to the USTA rules changes to limit stallion books that will go into effect in the next couple of years. Dr. Cothran made it overwhelmingly clear that action must be taken to slow down the rate of loss of genetic variation. He suggested that recovery of variation that is being lost could be achieved by increased breeding of stallion lines that are not well represented in our current breeding population and by breeding to distinct lines outside of North America.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by sk_pacer View Post
                                      Is he cute? Yes. But he isn't that much of an oddball for our breed, unocmmon, yes, but certainly not unheard of by a long shot. I can't track his maternal line to see where it comes from, but back in the sire's line there is some white, in fact a lot of it.
                                      Its not really the fact that hes colored thats odd about it, its how minimal the parents are that produced it.

                                      I do think it is some form of splash or sabino, but I think its a new one.

                                      I also only see tobiano on the wither mark and the rump mark. Other than that everything I see is Splash and Sabino.
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                                      • #20
                                        I'm too tired to recall correct terminology right now, but there is something somewhere about slipped or hidden genes with the tobiano genetic markers...some tested homozygous tobianos producing seemingly solid colored offspring, etc., but in reality, whilst yes, solid coloring on the outside, something about genetic traits remaining presence.

                                        Hmmm, where did that file get to? I didn't transfer it to this computer so that's not good...hmm.
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