Stallion Spotlight

Sir Donnerhall_02Beelitz

Real Estate Spotlight

  • Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

*Crop Out* Standardbred born in Sweden ...

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • *Crop Out* Standardbred born in Sweden ...

    How fascinating!

    The sire - Muscle Memory - is a plain plain bay stallion with not a smidge of white on him anywhere and the dam is a dark bay/black with no seeming white on her anywhere either

    DNA tests have been completed and it is now verified that the sire and dam information is correct and he is now a registered Standardbred.

    Where the wild colouring came from is anybody's guess (a VERY recessive gene somewhere!) but wouldnt you have LOVED to have been there when this fellow popped out in the world to see the faces on everybody in attendance!

    True Colours Farm on Facebook

  • #2
    WOW!!! Can anyone say heartattack when he was born!! OMG!! Not what anyone would expect for sure!

    What nice colouring though...
    Riding the winds of change

    Heeling NRG Aussies
    Like us on facebook!


    • #3
      He's stunning!!

      What a shock though
      Horse Show Names Free name website with over 6200 names. Want to add? PM me!


      • #4
        Very cool! I'd say sabino but he looks a good bit like a tobiano also. How cute!


        • #5
          wow that is crazy
          Draumr Hesta Farm
          "Wenn Du denkst es geht nicht mehr, kommt von irgendwo ein kleines Licht daher"
          Member of the COTH Ignorant Disrepectful F-bombs!*- 2Dogs Farm


          • #6
            How does that happen? I did not know tobiano could hide? (not a color expert!)
            Signature Sporthorses


            • #7
              Originally posted by Signature View Post
              How does that happen? I did not know tobiano could hide? (not a color expert!)
              Tobiano does not hide so it's very unlikely that is what he is. I just meant that his markings were similar to one. I would be pretty sure he's a sabino. That gene can do some weird stuff! I've had two crop out sabino fillies in the last three years that were very extensively marked compared to both sire and dam.


              • #8
                Could be that he is the first in line of a new mutation.

                I bet the breeder was shocked.


                • #9
                  does anyone know if they plan on having him tested? tobino and the like?
                  Riding the winds of change

                  Heeling NRG Aussies
                  Like us on facebook!


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                    Could be that he is the first in line of a new mutation.
                    That is what I think.
                    Check out my Equine Genetics Blog! Updated April 25th with Splashed White!!!


                    • #11
                      I would also say it looks like a new mutation as it looks tobiano and sabino, maybe it will be a Tobino.....
                      Exceptional colored German WBs, TBs and Arabians


                      • #12
                        Wow, unbelievable!
                        The Inverted Y
                        Thoroughbred and Anglo Arabian Sporthorses
                        2005 and 2007 USEF Breeder of the Year.


                        • #13

                          Does totally look 'tovero' on the exterior. Will be SUPER interested to see how this plays out...

                          How amazing!

                          I wonder if it's the kind of maximal sabino that will 'fade' to almost all white?

                          WOW! I have to print that and bring it to the track on Tuesday!!
                          InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs

                          Bits are like cats, what's one more? (Petstorejunkie)


                          • #14
                            My thought is that he's Splash and Sabino, which really can hide, even for a long time. I don't see Tobiano at all, regardless of the parents looking it or not. I've only seen one solid horse who tested Toto. I've seen quite a few minimals where the only real signs were some white over the hock and white right at the base of the tail.
                            The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


                            • Original Poster

                              JB - I have to agree with you. I'd pick splash and sabino if I had to guess on visual signs as well ... ... but he does look like a sabino / tobiano cross too doesnt he?!

                              pintopiaffe - he wont be a maximally expressed sabino at all. Those are usually all white or mostly all white with a medicine hat of colour on their ears and forelock only

                              he is very very cool though no matter what his colour is "officially". It will be neat to see him at the races and then later on in the breeding shed. Hope they let him keep his "jewels" for awhile to see if the colour passes on ...

                              True Colours Farm on Facebook


                              • #16
                                Hee hee! I'll bet the breeder was thinking that the neighbor's pinto whatever got to her before they bred her!!


                                • #17
                                  This is not unheard of with Standardbreds. There are two pure white ones in Canada: Mr Clean, registered as grey with (albino) markings, and Historicallyunique, registered as white with flesh coloured muzzle. There is also Im A Standardbred, a chestnut gelding, 4 white legs, white face, and white markings on his barrel, who raced a few years ago in Ontario. Now, Mr Clean, I know his immediate ancestors, watched many of them race, and have no idea where the all over white came from. Historicallyunitque was the straw that broke the tradition at SC and USTA and forced them to make white a colour. There have been horses born with excessive white for decades, and all since the mid-70's are parentage verified DNA, and previous verified by blood typing. I have lost the link (and everything else when puter died) but there are several lines of pinto Standardbreds in Australia, all DNA verified. I have seen lots of high white, belly splashes, roan patches, etc. in Standardbreds not to be surprised at a pinto colt...

                                  Is he cute? Yes. But he isn't that much of an oddball for our breed, unocmmon, yes, but certainly not unheard of by a long shot. I can't track his maternal line to see where it comes from, but back in the sire's line there is some white, in fact a lot of it.
                                  Founder of the Dyslexic Clique. Dyslexics of the world - UNTIE!!

                                  Member: Incredible Invisbles


                                  • #18

                                    Cullen to America:
                                    Kentuckiana Farms to Stand Australasian Super Sire Christian Cullen

                                    ...Ken Jackson also explained another key reason for Kentuckiana's desire to secure Christian Cullen, "In 2004, the USTA engaged Dr. Gus Cothran of the University of Kentucky to study the dramatic loss in genetic variation in the Standardbred horse. This study led to the USTA rules changes to limit stallion books that will go into effect in the next couple of years. Dr. Cothran made it overwhelmingly clear that action must be taken to slow down the rate of loss of genetic variation. He suggested that recovery of variation that is being lost could be achieved by increased breeding of stallion lines that are not well represented in our current breeding population and by breeding to distinct lines outside of North America.


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by sk_pacer View Post
                                      Is he cute? Yes. But he isn't that much of an oddball for our breed, unocmmon, yes, but certainly not unheard of by a long shot. I can't track his maternal line to see where it comes from, but back in the sire's line there is some white, in fact a lot of it.
                                      Its not really the fact that hes colored thats odd about it, its how minimal the parents are that produced it.

                                      I do think it is some form of splash or sabino, but I think its a new one.

                                      I also only see tobiano on the wither mark and the rump mark. Other than that everything I see is Splash and Sabino.
                                      Check out my Equine Genetics Blog! Updated April 25th with Splashed White!!!


                                      • #20
                                        I'm too tired to recall correct terminology right now, but there is something somewhere about slipped or hidden genes with the tobiano genetic markers...some tested homozygous tobianos producing seemingly solid colored offspring, etc., but in reality, whilst yes, solid coloring on the outside, something about genetic traits remaining presence.

                                        Hmmm, where did that file get to? I didn't transfer it to this computer so that's not good...hmm.
                                        "Life's a bleach and then you dye"
                                        "Some people walk in the rain, others just get wet." Roger Miller