• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

DNA data question

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • DNA data question

    Of the registries that require DNA profiling as part of registration, how many provide the information back to the owner? Do any do this or is it just kept with the registry?

    My only experience so far was with the ASPR. They keep it and don't give the owner a copy.

    Anyone care to answer this?
    Akal Ranch Blog - http://akalranch.com/
    Simrat Khalsa Fine Art & Photography - http://www.simratkhalsa.com/

  • #2
    The American Knabstrupper Association keeps the info with the registry, but will give a copy to the owner at their request.
    Visit Sonesta Farms website at www.sonestafarms.com or our FaceBook page at www.facebook.com/sonestafarms. Also showing & breeding Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      Thanks!

      So has anyone heard of registries sharing data directly for cross registered horses?
      Akal Ranch Blog - http://akalranch.com/
      Simrat Khalsa Fine Art & Photography - http://www.simratkhalsa.com/

      Comment


      • #4
        The American Morgan Horse Association DNA types all horses being registered but does not automatically provide a copy of the DNA results to the owners. They will provide a copy of the DNA markers directly to any other registry though.

        Honestly I don't see what use it is to anyone other than for parentage; it's just a bunch of letters/numbers that don't mean much of anything (other than for parentage verification).

        Comment


        • #5
          What Simrat is asking :-) is if registries will ever share DNA data on horses with more than one registry. For example...if a horse gets DNA typed by RPSI and then later the owner wants to inspect and register with AWR...can the DNA data on file be shared so the owner will only have to pay for one DNA test..or do registries insist on an individual test for each horse regardless of whether or not it has already been done?

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
            What Simrat is asking :-) is if registries will ever share DNA data on horses with more than one registry. For example...if a horse gets DNA typed by RPSI and then later the owner wants to inspect and register with AWR...can the DNA data on file be shared so the owner will only have to pay for one DNA test..or do registries insist on an individual test for each horse regardless of whether or not it has already been done?
            I am certain the information is shared BUT you will probably still have to pay for a second DNA test because there needs to be some way to PROVE that the horse you are presenting now is the horse that was presented previously. In other words, we presented a TB mare to AWR & had to have her DNA typed - otherwise, how would they know she was who we said she was? (Yes, she was tattooed, but that is a whole other story as tattos can be hard to read, etc.)

            Comment


            • #7
              That's not a great argument, Evalee. How do you prove to the testing site that the hair/blood you send actually belongs to the horse you're presenting?

              I paid for my own parentage DNA testing through UC Davis. Then *I* gave a copy of the results to the RPSI. They were fine with that, and I have the copies, as well as the original case numbers, to give to any other registry.

              I wouldn't go through the registry for DNA typing. But then, I work in the DNA field, so maybe it's easier or makes more sense to me than for other people.

              Comment


              • #8
                Jasmine...does RPSI contract one or more specific facilities to do their DNA testing or do they simply accept it from any facility? What you are saying is kind of along the lines I was thinking.

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  I was actually asking both questions, as the ASPR refused to give me a copy of my stallion's DNA profile, even though I paid $60 for the service.

                  The replies are interesting, on both questions.
                  Akal Ranch Blog - http://akalranch.com/
                  Simrat Khalsa Fine Art & Photography - http://www.simratkhalsa.com/

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    The TB registry requires parentage verification for registration, so all horses are DNA-typed. The registry pays for this and owns the resulting info, and does not give it to the owner. But, if you want to register the horse somewhere else as well, they will provide the info to the other registry. The QH registry does not require parentage verification for all horses, only in certain situations, but they require all parents to be DNA-typed so that if they do need to parentage-verify a foal, the info is already on file. If you have a foal that does need to be done, and one parent is a TB, you don't need a whole new test for that parent, they will get the info from the TB registry, no problem. Same thing for Paints. They don't require parentage verification for all foals either, but if they did ask for it, and one parent was a TB or a QH, they could get the DNA-typing info from the other registry, you don't have to do anything or pay anything.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Simrat View Post
                      Thanks!

                      So has anyone heard of registries sharing data directly for cross registered horses?
                      Yes. I had an AHHA registered mare inspected BWP and had her DNA done by BWP. BWP office then kindly shared DNA results with AHHA so when I had the mare finally inspected by her breed registry, it was one less thing I had to do.

                      I plan on doing the reverse of this as well but am unsure , since BWP includes DNA in mare inspection fee, if the cost is adjusted to wave the DNA fee if the mare has already been DNA typed. I'd have to ask the office when the time comes.
                      "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."

                      Comment

                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        ponygirl - Can you define AHHA and BWP?

                        Akal Ranch Blog - http://akalranch.com/
                        Simrat Khalsa Fine Art & Photography - http://www.simratkhalsa.com/

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          AHHA = holsteiner association, BWP = belgian warmblood studbook.

                          Comment

                          • Original Poster

                            #14
                            Thanks, Dazednconfused! So many acronyms out there in the world...



                            Anyone want to share the range of costs for DNA profile testing among the various registries?
                            Akal Ranch Blog - http://akalranch.com/
                            Simrat Khalsa Fine Art & Photography - http://www.simratkhalsa.com/

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I have a mare that is approved KWPN, BWP, Old Verband and AWR. They required a new DNA test every single time.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by tri View Post
                                I have a mare that is approved KWPN, BWP, Old Verband and AWR. They required a new DNA test every single time.
                                Ouch! What was the reasoning?
                                "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Because the friggin euro registries won't talk to each other or to much of anyone else. PART OF THE PROBLEM I'VE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT. And yes, it is frustrating and it is a game i WON'T PLAY anymore. They can kiss my bountiful ass.

                                  Comment

                                  Working...
                                  X