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  • Preserving Thoroughbreds...the original sport horse

    There are interesting bloodlines scattered here and there...sometimes attached to the common but precious nonetheless. They often come with lovely temperaments and I wonder where to find the TB stallions to make and effort to keep these lines alive even if on the dam side.
    This is a lovely black mare I know.
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cupids+love
    No inbreeding in 7 generations and farther on the dam side and there it is The Tetrarch and Peter Pan. It seems a shame that these mares aren't collected to use for preservation of diversity in TBs. PatO
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    #2
    Another one in remote Montana

    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bootsies+boy
    These horses are quite old and their blood could save thoroughbreds from lethal inbreeding but race breeders shrug their shoulders and go back for more of the same. PatO

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    • #3
      I hear you loud and clear -- my foundation mare

      http://www.pedigreequery.com/metierofthefield
      and her granddaughter
      http://www.pedigreequery.com/tkravantgarde

      We're doing our part!

      PennyG

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      • #4
        Obviously I agree with you about Cupid's Love, so I'm quite pleased she produced a lovely 2 year old IDSH with her looks and temperament -- at least they were carried on for one more generation. : - ). This kind and athletic boy will hopefully live up to his Royal Charger heritage:

        http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shenanigan4

        She had two race foals as well, one by a Bold Forbes stallion and one by a Mr. Prospector. Luckily there is still time for her to produce a few more quality sporthorses.

        And I tied your two fav TB mares together as well, since Shenanigan's dad is out of a Dr. Ricardo mare.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by columbus View Post
          http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bootsies+boy
          These horses are quite old and their blood could save thoroughbreds from lethal inbreeding but race breeders shrug their shoulders and go back for more of the same. PatO
          Race breeders wouldn't use these lines mainly because the horses couldn't outrun a fat lady, downhill . We had some of these bloodlines years ago and they wearn't much for riding horses either. Small, and not very sound. Sometimes there are good reasons why some bloodlines aren't popular.
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          • #6
            I actually prefer finding them like this mare

            http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+super+trooper

            My best ever, a grand old lady.
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            • #7
              I have my 2 (maybe not as old bloodlines as the others, but love them anyhow ....)
              http://www.pedigreequery.com/sunnys+girl

              http://www.pedigreequery.com/chanctee

              But I am always asking where the old blooded stallion are to breed to to preserve the older lines (again, maybe a bit more conventional than the other mares here, I am looking for Damascus, Ribot, Nijinsky etc... - and God, I've been looking for a Transworld forEVER close up). Maybe you could start a list for us? I am hoping to send one of the girls to Cetewayo - not old, but older bred........
              Do you have any more?
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              • #8
                You should buy Triple Twist -- related to Gem Twist in 3 crosses -- extraordinary pedigree. He's also capable of continuing to compete, great opportunity to own a stallion that could certainly keep a very good and proven gene pool alive. (I'm not connected to this stallion or an agent -- just would like to see him in a good place where he will get to breed and compete) -- www.twistoffateventing.com. His owner has a new baby and needs to move him.

                PennyG

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                • #9
                  Penny, I do love the old mare's pedigree. Can't pull up her granddaughters. Agree about Triple Twist. We should start a syndicate and stand him at your place.

                  And I would really like to know about Sunnys Girl's temperament, because the Halo and Roberto lines have the reputation of being really, really tough. It would be nice to know if that is solely a male thing, a stallion thing, or can appear in mares or the mares' male descendants. With racers, nobody seems to care if the horse is close to a killer, but nonracing people put a premium on a decent disposition.
                  "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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                  • #10
                    I have been a TB. breeder all my life and stood a TB. stallion for the hunter people. My stallion has produced a 2 time HOTY and many other winners. I have held on to one of his daughters because she has a pedigree that I think needs to be preserved. She carries Damacus, Turn-to, Blue Larkspur, Mahmoud Etc. I can not get pedigree up because I am puter illliterite. Can someone look her up. E K's Summer Wind. I no longer have a stallion and am not breeding but I think this mare needs some attention.

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                    • #11
                      Vineyridge -- that's really nice of you to say, but oh my God, I'm trying so hard to downsize and take a very much needed break! However, standing him would be an honor.

                      If you go to the Thoroughbred pedigree site and just type in TKR Avant Garde, Ava should show up. I've also posted some photos (not great) of her on the two year old photo thread. Her dam is leased out and in foal to Starlight. I know you will appreciate the connection of DeeDee O in Ava's pedigree with Metier's pedigree and alot of other stuff I like. Hope you can view it.

                      P

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                      • #12
                        I bred a Twist mare to my stallion once and it was a wonderful cross. The mare was so ugly I almost turned her down and it turned out to be one of the most beutiful foals he produced.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AdAblurr02 View Post
                          I actually prefer finding them like this mare

                          http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+super+trooper

                          My best ever, a grand old lady.
                          My oldest mare is also by Trooper Seven. She has produced beautiful WB foals. In fact, she was one of the top producing broodmares with the NA Selle Francais.

                          This is her pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bid+seven
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                          • #14
                            ok I'll bite

                            ok please tell me about my girls:

                            http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bellerita

                            and

                            http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/yodar


                            no need to worry about hurting my feelings....they are both lifers here anyway

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sugarlobo View Post
                              I bred a Twist mare to my stallion once and it was a wonderful cross. The mare was so ugly I almost turned her down and it turned out to be one of the most beutiful foals he produced.
                              Name of Twist mare please. And pedigree if you know it. I'm trying to make a list of all the Bonne Nuit/Bonne Cause horse that have been. I suppose I could pay tons and go to the JC and pull up the 48 foals by Bonne Nuit, but I'd rather not have to spend the money.

                              Did she possibly have Blue Murmur in her lines? Cause I understand he was mud ugly. But passed on the jump to a lot of his descendants and was bred to the Twist family several times.
                              "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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                              • #16
                                My foundation broodmare:

                                http://www.pedigreequery.com/my+stuben

                                She had 10 foals by my late Mandarin and evry one was a FANCY hunter. Glenhill owns one of her last - the lovely Roz.

                                Yak's momma:

                                http://www.pedigreequery.com/annie+rhythmic

                                I only got two foals out of her, but there were 3 colts prior to them and one day, I should look them up.

                                I was told that Mandarin had "obscure" bloodlines . He was definitely old style TB to the degree that I had to show off his tatoo because people thought he was WB -- back in the day when WBs were much heavier.

                                http://www.pedigreequery.com/baby+rebel

                                I have this mare:

                                http://www.pedigreequery.com/raewanda

                                who is a remarkable athlete and built like a BRICK, but (as mentioned above) the Halo makes her a little quirky. I have toyed with the idea of crossing her with Yak (frozen) if I can't get her smoothed out in the next year or so.

                                I would be doubling up on the In Reality (far back at this point), but that would be it.
                                I gotta do-over and am doin it my way!!!

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                                • #17
                                  Silly Mommy, you do realize that Elf (sire of Nimbus) was also the sire of Bonne Cause. When her daughter Brave Bonnie was crossed with Great War (Man O'War line) and a GP jumper himself, the result was Sisterly Love who was the dam of New Twist. Elf comes from one of the absolutely strongest jumping lines ever in TBs--the Dollar line. Upas, Elf's sire, also sired the Ksar line a bit farther down.

                                  That Mandarin also has Peter McCue in the same quadrant of his pedigree as Elf is startling, to say the least.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by vineyridge View Post

                                    And I would really like to know about Sunnys Girl's temperament, because the Halo and Roberto lines have the reputation of being really, really tough. It would be nice to know if that is solely a male thing, a stallion thing, or can appear in mares or the mares' male descendants. With racers, nobody seems to care if the horse is close to a killer, but nonracing people put a premium on a decent disposition.

                                    Sunny is wonderful - really wonderful. She is like a rubber ball and will jump anything. When we got her from the track, she was a real pistol. Almost took one of the surgeons' face off (he did the "horse whispery" thing and blew into her nose and she took strong exception), but she also had really bad ulcers. After having her for about 18 months now, she's doing well though - she'll never be a horse you could beat into submission (which is fine because we don't do that anyhow) but responds very well to being asked and has an excellent mind. I have had three Halos' and known several others, and currently have a Roberto mare as well and they've all been good - I don't know that these are the bloodlines of "killers" per se, but I think maybe they are the bloodlines of horses that don't fit into a mold of certain "training techniques" that some people use, ie, they don't take too much crap before they let you know it.
                                    Like have you ever read the story of when Storm Cat was smacked in the face while being ponied by his trainer?
                                    And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by rio2:

                                      Like have you ever read the story of when Storm Cat was smacked in the face while being ponied by his trainer?
                                      Would love to know what Storm Cat did.

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                                      • #20
                                        Viney there was a Bonne Nuit stallion named Night Before Last that stood at Timber Acres in Northport (near Tuscaloosa). He has been deceased for some time, but he has a son I believe standing somewhere.

                                        FYI -- there is going to be a Greg Best clinic September 3-4 in Tuskegee, AL! If anyone wants information, email me.

                                        I had an Anglo-Arab gelding years ago that had freakish jumping ability. I evented him, showed him locally in jumper classes and sold him when I got married to some folks who showed him as a jumper in bigger shows. His bottom line was the Thoroughbred, I can't remember his dam's name (!) -- I'll remember it eventually, but she had Elf in her pedigree and some other "old" bloodlines that would be interesting. I remember Audacious also being in there. Maybe I can dig out his file --

                                        PennyG

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