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  • #21
    My 2 Bugatti geldings are huge. I purposely bred him to my smaller, refined mare. Both are tall, substantial, and have good bone. My 2 year old gelding is 16.1. Most of the ones I've seen are rather large (though I have seen a few that are smaller).
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    • #22
      Originally posted by SCMSL View Post
      Just looked at Belissimo M, they're asking 1500€ per cover. For a maiden mare, its a bit of a risk. And this would be multiplied for at least 2 because we're inseminating 2 mares with the embryos.
      I just heard from my vet that his frozen was 70% motility so I'm guessing his fresh works just fine!!
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      • #23
        Just to clarify, my Bugatti filly does look like she'll be taller than her dam and she is a wonderful mover! She's just really dainty =) Her dam was 89% xx/ox (although she had good substance, considering) so I'm sure it was not Bugatti's influence that she is so refined.
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          #24
          Trinity, 70% mobility for frozen really is very good, but I think in terms of bloodlines I still prefer Belstaff, who has both Donnerhall and Weltmeyer. Plus, he has one of the best canters i've seen lately. But what do you think about his hind leg?
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            #25
            Anyone, guys?
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            • #26
              How about Floriscount? DiMaggio is very nice too.. wish I was brave enough to take a chance on his frozen over here.
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              • #27
                was going to also suggest Furstenball.. any photos of your mare?
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by SCMSL View Post
                  Trinity, 70% mobility for frozen really is very good, but I think in terms of bloodlines I still prefer Belstaff, who has both Donnerhall and Weltmeyer. Plus, he has one of the best canters i've seen lately. But what do you think about his hind leg?
                  Belstaff has a lovely pedigree but I'm not sure why you would pick an unproven stallion for your young mare? I watched a video I found from last year and I didn't think his canter was a 10- it wasn't bad but he could reach under himself more with the hindleg. At the trot the rider looked like he was really having to work to keep the hind leg active but it is hard to tell what his natural tendencies are due to his limited time under saddle. I found different sources saying he was born in 2007 and 2008??
                  The Weltmeyer/ Lauries Crusador nick is well known and W's semen is proven and cheap!
                  When it is so important to improve one gait, pick something famous for doing just that. Here in the states it is Fabuleux (for canter). Use the breeding values to guide your choices, since what a stallion produces is more important than what he does himself.
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                    #29
                    I don't really like Furstenball's canter.

                    Regarding Belstaff, thats exactly why I haven't settled on him yet.

                    The thing about Weltmeyer is a lot of people have told me he throws some bad temperaments....

                    Here's a couple of her pics

                    Lorraine as a 3 year old, when she got the title of Pr. St. A

                    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...1haqu3j6g.jpg/

                    Here's a picture of her again a month after the arrived. Please note the travel really took a tole on her body condition.

                    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...519775016.jpg/

                    I would also appreciated any conformation critiques!
                    Last edited by SCMSL; Jul. 3, 2012, 03:25 PM.
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                    • #30
                      Well this would be my recommendation....
                      i think this Guy is underestimated...
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xob0iMMoXZ0
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Manni01 View Post
                        Well this would be my recommendation....
                        i think this Guy is underestimated...
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xob0iMMoXZ0
                        Is that Emma Hindle's Lancet or a different one?
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by TrinitySporthorses View Post
                          Is that Emma Hindle's Lancet or a different one?
                          Yes that is Emma Hindles Lancet... I researched him lately and was amazed that although he has exceptional bloodlines and sired some very sucessful offspring he is not used a lot in Germany.
                          I'm a huge fan of Wenzel and Shogun xx, so maybe I'm biassed..
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                            #33
                            Interesting, I had never heard of Lancet either.

                            What are his progeny like?
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                              #35
                              Amazing curriculum, just not sure he would be right for my mare...

                              He has a fantastic type, I'm just not sure about his basic paces and his piaffe isn't that collected either.
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                              • #36
                                Originally posted by SCMSL View Post
                                I would appreciate any serious input about the stallion I should use on my mare for next year.

                                She has never been bred yet but I need to make a decision soon in order to reserve the semen.

                                The is by Laurent (Lauries Crusador xx) out of a Federweisser x Fabriano mare.

                                She is currently 3,5 years old and already 172cm high, so I don't think size will be an issue. I really like the way she's built, except for her neck set - its set slightly low and could be a little longer - and her hind leg - a bit straight.

                                She's a very light type.

                                Her trot is excellent, with lots of swing and suspension. Her walk is good too, but her canter really needs improvement.

                                So basically I'm looking for a stallion that throws good canters and lots of power in the hind leg.

                                I'll probably be keeping the baby, but we never know how things turn out so the stallion should be a well known one so its makes it easier if I decide to sell.

                                Right now my favorites are Weltmeyer and Quattro, but I've been told Earl, Furstenball and Rubin Cortes might work as well.

                                I am in Europe so I think it would be easy to get German or Dutch semen.


                                I appreciate all help, I'm feeling more and more confused everyday!
                                If I look for your first post I read that you are looking for a stallion who will improve the Canter... As far as I understood, Lancet will do that (always keeping in mind, that he had not too many foals)

                                I really start to believe that he has some serious disease.... I found him by chance when looking up the stallions of the Brookhouse Stud. Then I started to research him and found out that since he came to Germany he kind of disappeared in a hole....
                                The more I think about it the more I think I should use him for one of my fillys.....
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                                  #37
                                  Bumping this up!

                                  Its time I make a final decision to contact the brokers and reserve some semen.

                                  My mare has been improving on her health and doing really well. So now that I've had a couple more months to get to know her, I realize that:
                                  - Her neck isn't the perfect swan's neck but is functional enough (and now that it has some muscle in it, I'm starting to love how it works).
                                  - Her trot and walk have improved, and now that we've changed trainers I'm really seeing a change in her canter. She is very balanced and cadenced and has managed to "steal" a couple of flying changes when we're not paying her enough attention, so I know that will be easy to teach.
                                  - On the downside, she does have a weak loin and her back is a little too long for my taste. So this would be something I really want to improve on.

                                  My final selection of stallions are:
                                  - First Final
                                  - Furst Grandios
                                  - Come Back II
                                  - Desiderio
                                  - Sieger Hit
                                  - Daddy Cool
                                  - Furstenglanz

                                  So, to recap, I am looking for a stallion who can improve her loin connection. Other than that, I'd be perfectly happy with a full copy of my mare.

                                  I'd appreciate any input on these stallions, both good and bad.
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                                    #38
                                    No one?
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                                    • #39
                                      I'll throw one more onto the list for people to comment on.

                                      Don Nobless

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                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=gKsQ9_-NXjo

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                                      • #40
                                        Fidertanz
                                        I have heard the Daddy Cool semen was not good, a few years ago. That may have changed.
                                        Di Maggio - great sire, not large.
                                        Diamond Hit maybe ...
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