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  • Breeding While Boarding

    Does anyone here breed their mares when they board? If so, how do you handle that with your BO?

    For BOs, if you have a boarder who wants to breed but your barn is currently full do you allow it?

  • #2
    Maybe you should board with a breeder. It's not uncommon for a boarding farm owner to also own one or two broodmares. That would be your best case scenario; they are set up to deal with mares and foals and are understanding of the antics that go with it. Plus, they have a real understanding of the financial implications.
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      #3
      Originally posted by EquusMagnificus View Post
      Maybe you should board with a breeder. It's not uncommon for a boarding farm owner to also own one or two broodmares. That would be your best case scenario; they are set up to deal with mares and foals and are understanding of the antics that go with it. Plus, they have a real understanding of the financial implications.
      I am not looking to breed. Been there, done that, have the t-shirt. My breeding experience was awful and the end result wound up having to be put down. Not fun.

      Anyways, it's another boarder at my barn. And no, the barn is not a breeding barn. In fact, the BO has no foal experience. The mare owner has never bred before (well, horses anyway) either.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Snowflake View Post
        In fact, the BO has no foal experience. The mare owner has never bred before (well, horses anyway) either.
        I bred while boarding since I didn't own my own farm, but I made sure my mare was at a place with very experienced staff.

        The boarder in your case needs to find a breeding farm for her little endeavor. There is too much risk of a major problem in the current set-up (foaling problems, handling problems, etc.). In fact, it could be a recipe for disaster.

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          #5
          Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
          I think everyone (mare, foal, owner, barn owner, barn employees, other boarders, etc.) would be MUCH better off if the mare owner found a breeding farm with experienced staff. There is too much risk of a major problem - foaling problems, handling problems, etc. - in the current set-up.
          I agree wholeheartedly. I have a feeling that if she does try to foal out at the barn now, I'm going to be the one called when shit hits the fan and I really don't want to be involved.

          The mare is not so nice on the ground now and I'm just thinking of what kind of mean she's going to be once the foal is here. I did ask the BO what the plan is for foaling and haven't gotten a response yet. I basically told her that if she's staying for foaling, I don't want my mare pastured with her or stalled next to her.

          This mare and my mare are stalled next to each other now and I have a feeling a territorial broodmare is going to be a living nightmare for my horse. They have had words over the wall before and I can't imagine it will get any better as she gets late in her pregnancy. There previous words have caused my mare to kick in her stall and injuring her leg. I really don't want a repeat of that.

          But, this is my opinion. I'd really like to hear other's and examples of how you made it work if you have a success story.

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          • #6
            She should probably find a breeder or a farm that specializes in foaling out. She could send the mare off a month or so before foaling and board the foal at the breeding facility after weaning. That way she could bring the mare back to the original boarding facility later and the foal could stay with other foals.

            Lots of breeders take in outside mares to foal out but don't advertise the fact; you have to ask them about it. And there are definitely facilities for foaling out. I know of a couple here in New Jersey, myself included, but there are others. Where are you located?
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            • #7
              I would highly advise that she take her mare to a place/people with experience!!

              this advice comes from personal experience in what can happen when "no one KNOWS what to do".......... things happen SO FAST with foaling and foals going downhill fast, it's just not the same as a full grown horse

              if the mare owner can take her somewhere they know what they're doing, and is PRESENT for the delivery, and immediate after care, then perhaps with the next one she could stay @ your barn, but for the very first??? She needs to take her mare to the experienced place/people, IMO

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              • #8
                It can work depending on the setup....but it does not sound like your situation is a good one with none of the parties having experience with it or having a plan in place for the foaling/turnout situation. The prospective momma won't likely be more aggressive because she is preggo....but once the foal arrived she will not appreciate her neighbors in stalls for sure......I usually leave the stalls next to a mare with a foal empty for a month or so (until she chills out) unless it happens to be her buddy mare. Depends a bit on the individual in question.....some are more protective/more upset than others....but it does not sound like this mare is a laid back one from the get go.
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                  #9
                  We don't have foal safe fencing - it's a three strand electric wire. We also don't have foaling stalls. Our stalls are a good size 12x12. Some are 13x12. But still - not a foaling stall. My foaling stalls at my family's farm are 14x16 and 16x20.

                  Our barn is FULL. Not one empty stall and no more room to make more unless we build them into the indoor "exercise area" which is a 30x30 area that we use as a run in, but it doesn't have proper flooring to use for stalls. They would need to get a bobcat in there, dig the muddy muck out of it, backfill with gravel and pack it and mat it. I can't imagine the BO doing that for a boarder who decides to breed.

                  And now, because one person is doing it, two other young female boarders are talking about breeding their grade honies as well.

                  I love my barn and have been there for years but if it's going to become backyard breederville I may need to make an exit.

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                  • #10
                    If it were me, I think I'd make an exit too. A disaster waiting to happen is not something I would willing watch.

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                    • #11
                      I don't know where you are, but there are several places in my area that "foal out" - some have vets present, others have very experienced breeders. Some provide long term foal boarding too - with safe fencing and pasture space. Maybe it is worth (nicely) suggesting such a facility to the mare-owner.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
                        If it were me, I think I'd make an exit too. A disaster waiting to happen is not something I would willing watch.
                        This exactly how I feel about it.

                        The BO e-mailed me back and said that she can swap stalls with another horse across the aisle so that my mare isn't right next to her. That's great for me, crappy for the person who's horse might be put there.

                        I talked to a breeder friend of mine who has been breeding for over 20 years and she's set up for it but does not deal with it at her barn from her boarders. She said it messes with the herd dynamics too much. I do have this concern as well.

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                        • #13
                          I bred at a boarding barn. Went fine. The first day of turnout was a bit exciting, but, everyone settled down & things went back to normal. I don't think the staff had any real experience handling foals, but they were experienced staff, so it wasn't a big learning curve...it worked out well...foal is very well socialized & used to being at a 'show barn.'

                          I did send her off to a breeding farm shortly after weaning.

                          As far as calling you, I'd politely suggest that you are not comfortable with the situation and probably wouldn't be available for any spur-of-the-moment issues, and that a vet & experienced breeder friend should be on her call list. A tall, strong man is a good thing to have around.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Snowflake View Post
                            I agree wholeheartedly. I have a feeling that if she does try to foal out at the barn now, I'm going to be the one called when shit hits the fan and I really don't want to be involved.

                            The mare is not so nice on the ground now and I'm just thinking of what kind of mean she's going to be once the foal is here. I did ask the BO what the plan is for foaling and haven't gotten a response yet. I basically told her that if she's staying for foaling, I don't want my mare pastured with her or stalled next to her.

                            This mare and my mare are stalled next to each other now and I have a feeling a territorial broodmare is going to be a living nightmare for my horse. They have had words over the wall before and I can't imagine it will get any better as she gets late in her pregnancy. There previous words have caused my mare to kick in her stall and injuring her leg. I really don't want a repeat of that.

                            But, this is my opinion. I'd really like to hear other's and examples of how you made it work if you have a success story.
                            Ok, a few things here - because clearly your 1 bad experience with breeding has made you quite cynical about the whole process.

                            First of all, a LOT of mares get mellow & sweet when they're bred, not the other way around. So don't assume the mare is going to be even more of a crabby pants just because she's bred - it may be the best thing that ever happened to her (temperament-wise).

                            Second, from someone who has always boarded her broodies and helped the BO do foalwatch (or done it on my own), not all of us are clueless. This person may very well intend to stay at your barn until late in her mare's pregnancy and then find a suitable place for her to foal & raise the bebeh (even if right now she intends to stay - she may very well change her mind).

                            Third, is it not up to you to decide whether this person should or can foal her mare out at your present barn - that's entirely up to your BO. And if you are so afraid YOU will be called on to help when sh*t goes sideways, you are well within your right to say "no, i'm not comfortable with that, sorry". So no reason to be melodramatic about that.

                            Two of the foals that I bred were foaled out in 12x12 stalls. It's not the end of the world. The mare was 15.1hh and petite, and it worked out fine. I have always had my mares at boarding barns, with different types of (electrified) fencing, i made sure they got the right type of feed, i did most of the handling and helped muck out the stall as much as possible, and my BOs were always perfectly happy to have the mare & foal there.

                            Oh and FYI, the worst fencing-related situation i ever encountered (where one of my fillies got her leg badly strung up & mangled) was at a small breeder's farm, not at a regular boarding barn.

                            If the BO is fine with the mare statying & foaling out, and you are beside yourself worrying about how awful it's going to be, then just leave.
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                            • #15
                              I've been breeding for about 20 yrs.I've had about 15 foals all at the same boarding barn. Its a self care barn and they had a private safe paddock for me to use for the mare and foal. I was responsible for all care and foal watching but had lots of support from my fellow boarders. There was 1 other boarder who also bred so we could help each other plus a very good vet.

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                              • #16
                                I thought this was going to be a thread about the financial drawbacks of breeding when you have to board. The way I see it, this doesn't involve you in the slightest and therefore is none of your business.
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                                • #17
                                  I bred while boarding. The mare was foaled out at the vet's house. She and the foal lived at his place (he is a breeder too) for about a month or so post foaling too--mainly because I was trying to breed her and it was just easier. They (he and his Arabian breeder wife) handled the birth, initial bloodwork, umbilical etc. I would probably see if they would foal out my next foal too! They have foaling stalls, monitoring equipment, and the right kind of turnout.

                                  Then she and the filly went to a friend's. My friend and her husband pretty much built a paddock (about an acre or two) JUST for my mare and foal! BO had always wanted to fence that area in, but had never gotten it done. It already had a huge 3 sided shed, btw. We coordinated on the fencing, and I helped with the labor so it was done to both of our satisfaction.

                                  She was a huge help in handling the foal (basically through the fence--getting her used to having her ears messed with, etc.) when I couldn't be there all the time.

                                  That said, I would have been neurotic about people mishandling my foal or mare at a big boarding barn. My mare was protective and the liability would have been a nightmare if she had hurt a kid who wandered into the pasture to see the baby or something. My BO had grandkids, but they knew they weren't allowed in the field unless I was there. Also, I still had panic attacks about every time we had a thunderstorm, because there was a 100 foot tree in the pasture (aka lightning rod).

                                  It would be so much easier to just have them at home!

                                  Then I weaned at a boarding barn where the BO is also a breeder and was set up for youngsters. Mare was sold and left for the west coast. Filly spent the next 7 months just hanging out with horses her age.

                                  It can work when boarding.
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                                    I thought this was going to be a thread about the financial drawbacks of breeding when you have to board. The way I see it, this doesn't involve you in the slightest and therefore is none of your business.
                                    I think it does when we're not set up for any more horses. The BO herself even said previously that she doesn't want any more horses on the farm because the pasture can't support any more. We don't have the ability to segregate mom and baby in turn out. My mare is not good with foals and can only imagine the disaster that is going to occur should she get turned out with baby. And I won't tolerate my arthritic mare who needs to get out and move left in because mare and baby need to be out in the only pasture because the stall is too small for the two of them.

                                    That said, I am interested in the perspectives of those who have done it both as a boarder and as a BO with a breeding boarder. What do you do to make it work? What ideas can I present to the BO to make it a safer situation?

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                                    • #19
                                      Are you the BO? If not then it doesn't involve you and is none of your business or concern. If you are happy where you are then I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they will handle this appropriately as well. If you aren't happy there then go somewhere else.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by ASBJumper View Post
                                        Ok, a few things here - because clearly your 1 bad experience with breeding has made you quite cynical about the whole process.

                                        First of all, a LOT of mares get mellow & sweet when they're bred, not the other way around. So don't assume the mare is going to be even more of a crabby pants just because she's bred - it may be the best thing that ever happened to her (temperament-wise).

                                        Second, from someone who has always boarded her broodies and helped the BO do foalwatch (or done it on my own), not all of us are clueless. This person may very well intend to stay at your barn until late in her mare's pregnancy and then find a suitable place for her to foal & raise the bebeh (even if right now she intends to stay - she may very well change her mind).

                                        Third, is it not up to you to decide whether this person should or can foal her mare out at your present barn - that's entirely up to your BO. And if you are so afraid YOU will be called on to help when sh*t goes sideways, you are well within your right to say "no, i'm not comfortable with that, sorry". So no reason to be melodramatic about that.

                                        Two of the foals that I bred were foaled out in 12x12 stalls. It's not the end of the world. The mare was 15.1hh and petite, and it worked out fine. I have always had my mares at boarding barns, with different types of (electrified) fencing, i made sure they got the right type of feed, i did most of the handling and helped muck out the stall as much as possible, and my BOs were always perfectly happy to have the mare & foal there.

                                        Oh and FYI, the worst fencing-related situation i ever encountered (where one of my fillies got her leg badly strung up & mangled) was at a small breeder's farm, not at a regular boarding barn.

                                        If the BO is fine with the mare statying & foaling out, and you are beside yourself worrying about how awful it's going to be, then just leave.
                                        ^^ this

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