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*RESOLVED* "stolen filly.....i need help!"

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  • #81
    Originally posted by Mardi View Post
    that's quite a sum for a yearling with incomplete pedigree info, apparently no foal inspection score, and is registered only with USEF's American Performance Horse registry.

    Big hat, no cattle.
    because obviously a horse with an incomplete pedigree is incompetent? I thought in the hunter world things were based on talent

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    • #82
      [QUOTE=RoyParker;6326414]because obviously a horse with an incomplete pedigree is incompetent? I thought in the hunter world things were based on talent[/QUOTE

      You seem completely ignorant to that fact that she's doing somethng extremely wrong and should have every valuable piece of property stripped from her. She's a scam artist and you coming in here trying to justify it makes you look like a complete moron.

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      • #83
        I wouldn't waste my 'breath' arguining with mr. Parker, he has defended gff in at least one othe post on here. Can we please try and keep the focus on how to get this filly back home, assuming that's where it legally belongs. I can't believe nobody can just go and retrieve their property- of course I am new to all this...

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        • #84
          Originally posted by RoyParker View Post
          So yet again you all choose to "try" and crush her business rather than let her do business so she can pay her debt? is that because she is the #1 breeder according to USEF? I know there is a 3rd side to every story and not sure how really "stolen" this filly is.

          As for free jumping yearlings, I have a friend who has done that as well. And where did this come from? THE CLIENTS!! who want to know that their "prospect" will jump!! Do you honestly think that GFF or any breeder has time to sit around free jumping yearlings all day just for the fun of it?
          Please tell me how in your mind, people complaining that she is not paying her bills and being 100% dishonest about contractual obligations and what her horse or clients horses have accomplished in show have anything to do with each other ?

          Clearly your either she or in bed with she. Be a good "friend" and convince her to pay her outstanding obligations , return the horses people are looking for and make good on her word.

          Nobody gives two hoots what her horses are doing at shows other then its factual proof that she is picking and choosing who she will pay depending on how it most benefits her. Pay trainer A , run up bill move to trainer B pay them for a bit run up bill etc and so on. Its become a pattern nobody is new to it.

          I'd like nothing more than to see JB straighten out this rats nest and go on breeding nice horses at the same time working to fix and maintain an above board reputation. Its and uphill climb and shes still running the wrong way.
          "I would not beleive her if her tongue came notorized"

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          • #85
            I was just going to say I looked at all of his post and they are all involved with problems of Jill.

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            • #86
              She keeps removing the YouTube comments.

              HOWEVER.

              You can report the videos (and her entire damn account) to YouTube that one or more items she is representing are potentially stolen goods.

              The OP would need to do it and provide documentation. YouTube is very aggressive about that kind of thing because they do NOT want to be in the middle of trafficking stolen property.

              Just provide the relevant information about the specific horses/videos in question and YouTube should do the rest.
              "The nice thing about memories is the good ones are stronger and linger longer than the bad and we sure have some incredibly good memories." - EverythingButWings

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              • #87
                Originally posted by DreamBignRide View Post
                I was just going to say I looked at all of his post and they are all involved with problems of Jill.
                not all "dream big". But again if anyone tries to post a positive experience with GFF (which there are quite a few, it just seems no one wants to hear them) they are "justifying" something wrong. When in fact there is no justifying anything.

                Gelding all the stallions, stripping GFF off all their horses simply is not going to happen. Telling people to not have any dealings with them then faulting them for not being able to pay their bills is sort of absurd.

                I'm all for people getting their issues solved, but I am not convinced the complete truth is there.

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                • #88
                  Originally posted by RoyParker View Post
                  not all "dream big". But again if anyone tries to post a positive experience with GFF (which there are quite a few, it just seems no one wants to hear them) they are "justifying" something wrong. When in fact there is no justifying anything.

                  Gelding all the stallions, stripping GFF off all their horses simply is not going to happen. Telling people to not have any dealings with them then faulting them for not being able to pay their bills is sort of absurd.

                  I'm all for people getting their issues solved, but I am not convinced the complete truth is there.
                  whatever makes you sleep at night.

                  best of luck to the OP in getting her filly back.

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                  • #89
                    "When in fact there is no justifying anything."

                    If you say so

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by DreamBignRide View Post
                      whatever makes you sleep at night.

                      best of luck to the OP in getting her filly back.
                      Well that would be another story, but thanks "dream big"

                      and maybe some of you need to look up the definition of justifying.

                      And if OP's case is that the filly should be in her possession then I wish her best of luck too.

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                      • #91
                        "No justifying anything" is Ms. Burnells' (of Gray Fox Farm's) modus operandi and fencing stolen property is just one more act of felony. I wasted half a year on her and would warn ANYONE to steer clear of becoming involved with this "farm". It is a puppy mill for horses and a swamp of immorality. I have an entire paper trail library to support this.

                        Judge Roy Parker was known as the "hanging judge" so there is some irony here in supporting someone or as the alias of someone who hangs clients year after year. To call it a "business" makes one want to get the I.R.S. involved in a "look-see". Internet fraud is high crime as well.

                        If anyone has been dragged into a fraud via the internet, please report it.

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                        • #92
                          I'm sorry, RoyParker. While I appreciate anyone willing to defend a friend or acquaintance or whatever to the end, I think it's the end. The writing really seems to be on the wall with this one. No amount of spinning is going to gloss over the stuff that has been going on.

                          It's hard to watch someone spiral out of control, and sadder to see the folks who were affected by it.

                          Good luck getting your filly, OP. Hope it's sorted quickly.
                          "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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                          • #93
                            I have to take exception with RoyParker's concept here. This woman isn't using a new business plan to "work out" the situation she has put herself in and make restitution to clients or return horses to clients. She's doing what we call in the financial world "churning" - she's just finding new sources of money to stay about a day ahead of a financial and legal tsunami. A classic robbing Peter to pay Paul.
                            Problem with this business plan is sooner or later the music stops and the entire situation implodes. I have no dog in this hunt but those who feel working with her is in some way going to provide her with the financial income she needs to stay above water are deluding themselves. She seems to have lost her moral compass. And "assisting" this woman should mean NOT taking her horses to show or helping her to hide horses that belong to others. It would be constructive to just tell her to STOP and let anyone who has a horse there that wants it - come and get it TOMORROW. Given the number of horses she has, the foreclosure and debts outstanding, I personally don't see this situation resolving itself. Who knows if she has some huge "cash stash" somewhere - after seeing the case in Ct with the trainer who had Big bucks in a safety deposit box and was caught and is now going to jail (check it out on ratemyhorsepro.com) - I would hope GFF understands the legal aspects of whatever she is doing.

                            I'm truly concerned that the person handling the horses for her is someone I know - I'm going to contact him and make sure it isn't him.
                            Last edited by ise@ssl; May. 21, 2012, 07:49 AM.
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                            • #94
                              Originally posted by ise@ssl View Post
                              I have to take exception with RoyParker's concept here. This woman isn't using a new business plan to "work out" the situation she has put herself in and make restitution to clients or return horses to clients. She's doing what we call in the financial world "churnig" - she's just finding new sources of money to stay about a day ahead of a financial and legal tsunami. A classic robbing Peter to pay Paul.
                              Problem with this business plan is sooner or later the music stops and the entire situation implodes. I have no dog in this hunt but those who feel working with her is in some way going to provide her with the financial income she needs to stay above water are deluding themselves. She seems to have lost her moral compass. And "assisting" this woman should mean NOT taking her horses to show or helping her to hide horses that belong to others. It would be constructive to just tell her to STOP and let anyone who has a horse there that wants it - come and get it TOMORROW. Given the number of horses she has, the foreclosure and debts outstanding, I personally don't see this situation resolving itself. Who knows if she has some huge "cash stash" somewhere - after seeing the case in Ct with the trainer who had Big bucks in a safety deposit box and was caught and is now going to jail (check it out on netposse.com) - I would hope GFF understands the legal aspects of whatever she is doing.

                              I'm truly concerned that the person handling the horses for her is someone I know - I'm going to contact him and make sure it isn't him.
                              I never mentioned a "business plan", but if one can't sell horses to pay debt that would be a problem. And I think selling broodmares that are a great asset is a good step. But Summitt and TCF are again disturbers that would rather see the competition disappear so I cannot take their words seriously. I do not see top hunter barns or top breeding farms on here bashing another breeder. So must assume the operations are fairly small.

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                              • #95
                                There's nothing wrong with selling horses to pay debt (although as one gets a reputation for being less than reputable, it seems that it would make it harder to sell said horses- if you get my drift). HOWEVER, one actually needs to, you know, OWN the horses they are attempting to sell.

                                The thing that would worry me in rocksolid's case is...what happens when/if the house of cards falls and she's arrested. You're then stuck with the horse and no payment indefinitely while lawsuits get played out. Look at the Rita Dixon case. Lots of trainers stuck with lots of horses and no $.
                                Caitlin
                                *OMGiH I Loff my Mare* and *My Saddlebred Can Do Anything Your Horse Can Do*
                                http://community.webshots.com/user/redmare01

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                                • #96
                                  Originally posted by RoyParker View Post
                                  So yet again you all choose to "try" and crush her business rather than let her do business so she can pay her debt? is that because she is the #1 breeder according to USEF? I know there is a 3rd side to every story and not sure how really "stolen" this filly is.

                                  As for free jumping yearlings, I have a friend who has done that as well. And where did this come from? THE CLIENTS!! who want to know that their "prospect" will jump!! Do you honestly think that GFF or any breeder has time to sit around free jumping yearlings all day just for the fun of it?
                                  Woo hoo! Go #1 USEF HUNTER BREEDING SIRE Redwine!

                                  I see Redwine has finally made the list of USEF TOP HUNTER SIRES! (Hunter Sires aka sires of horses that actually JUMP). He is currently #437 on the LIST.

                                  Hmmm... Then there is the #2 USEF HUNTER BREEDING SIRE Ragtime.

                                  Oh LOOK Ragtime is #18 is on the list of USEF TOP HUNTER SIRES. HUNTERS the horses that actually jump.

                                  #437 compared to #18.

                                  Yes; I am sure clients who want prospects that JUMP would want to look at the Hunter Sires rather than Hunter Breeding Sires.

                                  I sure wish the OP success in getting her filly back ASAP.

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                                  • #97
                                    This is so disheartening to read. I am going through the exact same situation with a person. The person is across the country from me. I sold a VERY good mare on payments (bad judgement on my part). The payments stopped, the person is broke, (and crazy), and to quote him/her on FaceBook, "everything is for sale, the horses, the farm, all of it". I spoke to an attorney and was advised that it would cost me more to sue than the total the person owes me. I am furious that I am not getting my money. But more than that, I am worried about my mare's future. This was not supposed to happen. That's what I get for trusting someone. It will NEVER happen again. People like this give the horse business a bad reputation. There is a lot more going on there that is unethical, but I can not post it on a public forum.
                                    Maryanne Nicpon
                                    Minglewood Sport Horses
                                    Ballston Spa, NY

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                                    • #98
                                      Originally posted by RoyParker View Post
                                      because obviously a horse with an incomplete pedigree is incompetent? I thought in the hunter world things were based on talent
                                      A horse with an incomplete pedigree can be very competitive in the show ring, of course. But we're talking about aspects of breeding.

                                      There's been much discussion on these boards and in publications about the sporthorse breeding business in the US, and that it's not what it could be.

                                      So it was interesting to see that a well known US stallion owner, who stands a well bred imported stallion, could not (for whatever reason) provide any info on the mother of her own yearling she's offering for sale for $15,000 (!). Only the sire (owned by the stallion owner), is listed on the website and with USEF.

                                      The sire is a nice warmblood stallion, not a backyard animal. How could the dam be "unknown "? For every legitimate breeding, there's a record. Surely the "leading hunter breeding breeder" has her breeding records from 2 years ago ?

                                      To have a leading breeder withhold vital info on the pedigree seems a bit odd.

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                                      • #99
                                        OP - I trust you have contacted the registry with whom this filly is registered to advise them of this problem so that she cannot be transferred (registry-wise) into someone else's name and also the registry should contact you with all info of anyone attempting to make such a transfer.

                                        Best wishes in getting the filly back.

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                                        • Originally posted by RoyParker View Post
                                          But Summitt and TCF are again disturbers that would rather see the competition disappear so I cannot take their words seriously. I do not see top hunter barns or top breeding farms on here bashing another breeder.
                                          Oh yeah, that's what this is all about...damaging a competitor. Give me an effing break.

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