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  • Reputable Breeders struggle to keep up with Horse Crooks. People steal Horse IDs and OMIT info to HIDE the TRUE ID of horses recorded with the USEF.
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    • Originally posted by runwayz View Post
      So is the USEF aware of any of this? Why would she continue to be #1 with all this fraudulent activity? Is the hunter breeding world this shallow? No offense to the reputable breeders out there.
      Why would they care?
      She hasn't been suspended by USEF for rule violations.
      There are a few BNT presently with ownership disputes and civil suits ongoing. USEF does not get involved.

      USEF WILL care if there is a criminal conviction for things like Horse Abuse, Stalking, threats ( verbal or written) and a few other things.

      She is # 1 because her stallion's offspring continue to win in HB classes.

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      • Can anyone with a legal background tell me... once a person starts peddling property they don't rightfully own on the internet isn't that a federal offense? As I recall from another thread (about that charlatan Thomson Moore) the FBI has a unit devoted to fraudulent online sales. I should think this would qualify.

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        • Good question Lulu. I'm sure one of the legal folks here would know. Of course, the OP's attorney, should know as well.

          I'll try to keep the thread on the H/J forum bumped. I'm sure more people will look now that you have (so kindly) put a link to a picture over there. Hope someone will take a screen shot in case it disappears!

          This situation just really irks me. I remember the lady trying to get ahold of this GFF women, frantic about the mare she shipped, and now this...

          I hope we can do something to keep anyone else from being hurt by this person.

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          • To my knowledge, an internet fraud report was filed some time ago, as most of the GFF clients' initial contacts have come via the internet, including the GFF website.

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            • Originally posted by runwayz View Post
              So is the USEF aware of any of this? Why would she continue to be #1 with all this fraudulent activity? Is the hunter breeding world this shallow? No offense to the reputable breeders out there.
              I think I may look into this, perhaps send USEF an inquiry to see where exactly they draw the line. I understand them not wanting to get mixed up in civil matters that don't directly pertain to showing but I also think they should care about who they recognize as professionals and how those people conduct themselves.

              While I don't think her behavior is acceptable as an amateur, it definitely isn't befitting of a professional!

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              • Originally posted by TWF View Post
                Curious reading USEF info of a top ranking filly:

                RAPTURE
                Sire: REDWINE

                Dam: UNKNOWN

                Breed: WARMBLOOD

                Breeder: GRAY FOX FARM, LLC



                Rapture is a yearling filly. DAM UNKNOWN...although GFF is the breeder...
                Yep, this has already been mentioned in an earlier post. Rapture's foaling date on the USEF reg. is listed as 7/1/2011, but it's actually 6/28/2011. Dam was Itzy Doll by Idol.

                Apparently GFF purposely provided incomplete and false information to USEF for Rapture's registration.

                Just to be clear, Rapture is not the filly the OP is trying to get returned. Rapture is on the east coast and being shown in HB classes. Both fillies look very similar.
                Rapture's handler has posted here and says that GFF has been paying the bills and so far, there's been no problem.

                The horse the OP is looking for is Raven Ridge (listed for sale on the GFF website).

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                • Originally posted by S A McKee View Post

                  She is # 1 because her stallion's offspring continue to win in HB classes.
                  Actually it's not that they win, it's that there are a lot of them showing, and placing 4th out of 5 horses. It's quantity, not quality.

                  Unfortunately to have an entity like GFF as USEF's leading hunter breeding breeder discredits USEF, their method of registration, and the HB division. And all that affects honest breeders and their clients.

                  When it gets embarassing enough for USEF, they'll take action.

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                  • Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                    Actually it's not that they win, it's that there are a lot of them showing, and placing 4th out of 5 horses. It's quantity, not quality.

                    Unfortunately to have an entity like GFF as USEF's leading hunter breeding breeder discredits USEF, their method of registration, and the HB division. And all that affects honest breeders and their clients.

                    When it gets embarassing enough for USEF, they'll take action.
                    This!
                    "Her life was okay. Sometimes she wished she were sleeping with the right man instead of with her dog, but she never felt she was sleeping with the wrong dog."



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                    • I thought the COTH poster lauriep; Junior Johnson was representing the GFF show horses? I saw photos posted in March of this year with him leading GFF horses. I was surprised with the reputation for bad business GFF had that they took her on. I guess the party is over?

                      Who is this latest trainer rocksolid?

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                      • Perhaps Junior starting having some payment issues????? No idea, but that would follow the pattern.
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                        • Originally posted by LetsRide View Post
                          I thought the COTH poster lauriep; Junior Johnson was representing the GFF show horses? I saw photos posted in March of this year with him leading GFF horses. I was surprised with the reputation for bad business GFF had that they took her on. I guess the party is over?

                          Who is this latest trainer rocksolid?

                          They were, and they defended her at the time.

                          rocksolid appears to be: http://rocksolidstables.com/

                          It's up to them who they do business with, but as I said on an earlier post, why anyone would do business with someone who stiffed John French (as well as Perfect Peter Pletcher) to the point where he had to get a judgement, and then ARREST WARRANT when they still didn't pay, is quite beyond me.

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                          • I just ate 2 sleeves of Graham Crackers reading this....

                            WOW is all I can say....SO SAD....I did share the post on my Facebook page....

                            DO THE RIGHT THING R.S. and let rapazzini know where she is....GET THIS FILLY HOME with her REAL MOMMA....SORRY....I guess I am in a sugar coma and just realized that THIS filly is NOT THE SAME one as the stolen one... SORRY...

                            I do know that if you write a hot check to the USEF they suspend you....so I guess she DOES know who NEEDS to be paid

                            SH
                            Last edited by SleepyHollow; May. 23, 2012, 08:08 PM. Reason: wrong info

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                            • Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                              When it gets embarassing enough for USEF, they'll take action.
                              You clearly don't understand USEF rules.

                              She has not violated a single USEF rule and I'd bet nobody has even filed a protest or a charge.

                              Any reason why you think they'd do anything or is that just wishful thinking or an uneducated guess?

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                              • I just ate 2 sleeves of Graham Crackers reading this....

                                LOOOL no kidding.
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                                • I hope the original poster gets her filly.

                                  I hope everyone who is owed something by the accused gets what they lost.

                                  I hope everyone posting on this realizes the difference between letting everyone know what kind if business the accused is accused of, and drama. Because this seems like a serious situation. Serious situations mean a lot less of those stupid that are on this thread.

                                  If you want this to be taken seriously, treat it as such. The accused seems to be incriminating herself... this thread is doing harm and good. Good because it's bringing light into her business, and harm because there is just too much drama and bs. Post the facts and i think everyone will get what's due. It is afterall, a bulletin board where anyone can post what they please.

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                                  • Originally posted by wanderlust View Post
                                    They were, and they defended her at the time.

                                    rocksolid appears to be: http://rocksolidstables.com/

                                    It's up to them who they do business with, but as I said on an earlier post, why anyone would do business with someone who stiffed John French (as well as Perfect Peter Pletcher) to the point where he had to get a judgement, and then ARREST WARRANT when they still didn't pay, is quite beyond me.
                                    More clueless nonsense.

                                    I think Junior showed two of her horses at ONE SHOW.
                                    In fact very few horses belonging to JB have shown this year.

                                    The horses that are contributing to her leading breeder status are owned by others. So do you think horses not owned by her should be allowed to get points or is this just a bit of high school girls being jealous?

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                                    • Originally posted by veetiepony View Post
                                      It is afterall, a bulletin board where anyone can post what they please.
                                      True! And the sleuths of COTH are very good at ferreting out fact from fiction.
                                      The virtual "woodshed" seems the only remedy for willful fools .

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                                      • Joanne - the internet searches they did on "roy parker"? Most (i believe) think that this is an alter or close friend.. so why would they post in their real name?

                                        Why waste time rifling through google when you claim it to be an alter name?

                                        To help original poster it seems like it needs to stay on topic.

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                                        • Originally posted by LetsRide View Post
                                          Junior Johnson was representing the GFF show horses? I saw photos posted in March of this year with him leading GFF horses. I was surprised with the reputation for bad business GFF had that they took her on. I guess the party is over?
                                          According to show results, Jr. Johnson handled 2 horses for GFF at the Northern Winter Classic show at Rancho Murieta, February 8, 2012: Remember When and Rasberry Beret.
                                          Last edited by Mardi; May. 23, 2012, 09:20 PM.

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