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  • mare not coming into season?

    Ok my mare came in 4/3 and was cultured clean and has not come back in! I am sure the vet thinks I am missing her, but this is a mare that breaks down (very messy!) while being lead by a gelding in the barn. She is flagrantly in when she's in, I've owned her for 11 years and the entire barn knows when she's in. I have been teasing her every other day or so with one of my romantic geldings, to no avail. Nothing. I guess we could short cycle but would rather not if possible. Any ideas?
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    Originally posted by bbbkmc View Post
    Ok my mare came in 4/3 and was cultured clean and has not come back in! I am sure the vet thinks I am missing her, but this is a mare that breaks down (very messy!) while being lead by a gelding in the barn. She is flagrantly in when she's in, I've owned her for 11 years and the entire barn knows when she's in. I have been teasing her every other day or so with one of my romantic geldings, to no avail. Nothing. I guess we could short cycle but would rather not if possible. Any ideas?
    The easiest thing to do is to have an ultrasound to find out what exactly is going on.
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    • #3
      Have you checked her progesterone levels?
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      • #4
        I am going through sort of the same thing with a client's mare right now

        For the last month, I would get emails / texts saying "She's REALLY in. Can I bring her over so we can get her bred?" and I would ask what size follicle she had? When did the vet feel she would be ovulating? Etc ... and I was told she hadnt got the vet in yet but she was REALLY teasing to the gelding beside her and I said "Not good enough. I need to hear from the vet what is going on"

        So - the vet was brought in and nada - no follicular development at all - even though she was standing there squatting and peeing for the gelding.

        This happened twice over the last 6 weeks and finally I just said ship her here, we'll tease and monitor her and breed her when she is ready and let you know

        The vet came and ultrasounded her at the clients place Mon 7th. According to the client, he advised that she was "Zero. Nothing is happening at all". The mare arrived on Wed 9th in the morning, we gave her a shot of Lute and promptly ran over to the fence line where Panoramic was and squatted and peed up a storm. He had DEFINATE interest in her.

        Same thing with Thursday - same strong teasing behaviour (when the visiting mares come here, they are paddocked next to the stallions so I can observe their reactions all day long) so I called up the vet and asked - What did your "nothing" observation mean last Monday? I mean were there ANY follicles at all - even little ones???" and he had he likened them to Smarties - a bunch of 15-20 mm ones that werent doing anything and werent going anywhere so we knew that it 2-3 days they didnt all of a sudden explode, even with the Lute, and grow to 40+ ones and have her close to ovulation.

        Friday she was totally out, Saturday 12th got him back in for an ultrasound and again - nothing. No CL, no follicular development, nothing going on in there at all. So - he hot shotted her again

        And now - 3-4 days later (unless this morning is planning on being different) she studiously ignores both stallions (even when I used her for teasing on Monday and she was nose to nose with him then) and they completely ignore her. She stays as far away from both of them as possible and they dont even lift their heads to acknowledge her

        The plan is to get the vet back out again on Thursday or Friday to see what the heck is going on in there. Between the hot shots and being paddocked beside the stallions all day long and across from them in the barn all night long, AND the beautiful, warm sunny weather we're having, you'd *think* that would be enough to bring her in but apparently not

        Thats what Im going through with her and it sounds about the same with your mare ...
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        • #5
          Maybe she's pregnant. : )
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          • #6
            I had a mare that wouldn't cycle until later in the year. As a result, I had a foal born November 1st a few years back. The following year we got her back on a better cycle schedule.

            Some mares really don't cycle well until mid year. We, as impatient humans, want them to (and frequently force them to) earlier.
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            • #7
              My visiting mare still not kick started with the Lute 4 days later

              "0" interest on all sides this morning

              Will get the vet out Friday yet again to see what the heck is going on with this one ...
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              • #8
                I have an older mare who is doing this. A nice follicle sitting at 28 mm and that is where it has stayed for 2 weeks, despite 2 doses of Lute 1 week apart. And nothing happening at all on the other ovary. No sign of heat What.So.Ever. Sigh. ho hum...
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                • #9
                  I had one do this...an older mare that totally shut down for about 8 weeks. We cultured her on her 3rd cycle at the beginning of March and planned to breed on her next cycle. She was a hussy each of her previous cycles. We were ultrasounding every 3-10 days and she did NOTHING until the end of April. We checked her at the end of April just because the vet was here (she was not teasing AT ALL) and she had a HUGE follicle, had ovulated 6 hours later so we bred her with frozen semen and she was confirmed in foal last week!
                  Long story short...I'd ultrasound and see what's going on.
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                  • #10
                    Put her on a trailer and take her to another farm or a local horse show!!! I've seen mares go right into heat when they hear other horses.
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                    • #11
                      Yes, she could be in heat, but not showing. I've seen/owned mares who were very blatant when in heat, for every cycle, for years. Then all of a sudden they don't show anymore, but the ultrasound will let you know for sure. It can be frustrating when they change their patterns!
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                      • #12
                        Well - on the client mare - she was once again a Big Fat "0" on ultrasound today. Thats 3 weeks in a row for her ...

                        Vet now wants me to give her 2 Lute shots a day for the next 2 days and see if that kick starts her ...

                        Even with the stallions parked 10 feet away from her all day long, she ignores them and they dont even know she exists

                        VERY frustrating for all concerned
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TrueColours View Post
                          Well - on the client mare - she was once again a Big Fat "0" on ultrasound today. Thats 3 weeks in a row for her ...

                          Vet now wants me to give her 2 Lute shots a day for the next 2 days and see if that kick starts her ...

                          Even with the stallions parked 10 feet away from her all day long, she ignores them and they dont even know she exists

                          VERY frustrating for all concerned
                          Has she had a verified ovulation yet this year? It sounds like she is still transitional, in which case the lute won't work on her. It really isn't that late in the year, especially far north, for a mare to not be cycling well yet.
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                          • #14
                            Hillside - I dont think so but she only just arrived at my place. She "showed" being in season prior to this but no idea if it was real or not - I dont believe they ultrasounded her at that time

                            And yes - I agree - it does appear to be a transitional state but this is the mildest winter / spring on record up here. We really had "0" winter and most mares cycled right through like clockwork. I mean heck - we had milder and warmer temps than some of the US States far south of us for weeks and months on end so most mares (except for this one) have been regularily cycling for months now

                            I think the biggest hurdle we are facing with this mare is that if she goes home, she teases to the gelding and looks to be in raging heat. The vet comes and ultrasounds and finds "0" and they are off the beaten track where they keep their horses so not easy for the vet to get to them. If she stays here at least we can monitor and tease her and the vet is 10 minutes up the road as well

                            Very strange mare indeed ...
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                            • #15
                              True colours - are you using the low dose Lute method?
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                              • #16
                                She was given 1 x 1ml shot the 2 times before and now she is being given 1 x .5ml twice a day for 2 days

                                This is her vet's recommendation as to how he wants this managed - he is the attending vet on this mare
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                                • #17
                                  Check progesterone levels. Prostaglandin will have NO success on mares if they aren't cycling. Stallside progesterone assays are cheap and easy. If she's got circulating levels of progesterone, she's cycling. If not, wait five days and check again as she may be in estrus and not have a functioning CL. Continually hitting her with prostaglandin will do absolutely NOTHING if she's not cycling and has no functioning CL.
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                                  • #18
                                    Kathy, thanks for your help, I will let you know how this chapter ends.
                                    Anyway, I have a mare that has completely shut down, possibly a year, and Domperidon was suggested.

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