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  • warmblood Welsh cross

    i have heard a lot of wonderful things about breeding Welsh stallion to warmblood mares but what about breeding a Welsh mare to a smaller wb stallion (16h )??Im interested to know if anyone knows of any problems or complications that have come from this? they say 60% comes from the mare (including size) but i just wanted to find out if anyone knew anything?
    thanks!

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    There is one at my barn. Trainers rolex wb crossed with a medium or small Welsh pony. She wanted a medium or a large for the hunters, and he ended up at 14.2. He is one of her event horses now and she has done two CIC*'s on him. Nice looking guy with a super jump, big stride, and just a nice attitude. No joint issues and he has basic shoes in front and back. He is eight now and cute as a button.
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    • #3
      Alicia from Barrington Hill ( www.barringtonhill.com) is doing this with her welsh mares and breeding them to Escapade. She has several nice crosses and is now standing a pony stallion from this cross.
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      • #4
        You don't want to take the chance of breeding a large stallion to a small mare. Too many *problems* and safety issues can result. I'm totally against this kind of cross due to jeopardizing the safety of the mare.
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        • #5
          VB, you are spot on and I totally agree. This is why, when my customer wanted to breed her large pony mare to a 16.2 hand warmblood (to get a small hunter for herself) we used an ET mare and did it that way. Resulting foal is BIG, and i seriously doubt that her pony mare could have delivered him with any degree of safety.
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          • #6
            There are smaller aproved warmblood stallions, and some registries now have a separate registry for ponies (like the GOV, for example). Some of the approved pony stallions are Welsh; but, some are WBs. Might be worth checking them out!

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            • #7
              There's a breeder in my area that breeds her 16h wb stallion to small pony mares. The resulting foals are really fancy! However, I have heard that she lost one mare due to size complications at delivery time.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Fastjofast View Post
                There's a breeder in my area that breeds her 16h wb stallion to small pony mares. The resulting foals are really fancy! However, I have heard that she lost one mare due to size complications at delivery time.

                the foals will be just as fancy if it is done V-V, and safer for all. AND the foals will probably be nicer.
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                • #9
                  I've done it both ways for close to twenty years and don't see a lot of difference in mature size in the offspring either way, seems to depend more on the individual that whether the size is in the mare or the stallion. I've also not seen any general differences in conformation from one cross over the other.

                  I do select my smaller pony mares for this, not breeding particularly refined mares and I never breed a maiden mare to a much bigger stallion. I've never had any foaling issues due to size regardless of which parent is the smaller and I've done enough of both crosses to believe that if it was going to be an issue, I'd have seen it by this time.
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                    #10
                    thank you all for your opinions! Im most happy to hear about actual experience, my stallion is modern type so not big boned and only 16h and we have chosen an experienced section b Welsh mare who throws awesome scopey babies so we are very excited for this foal!

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                    • #11
                      If you feel you must do it, best to check the sire to see how far back the height and bone shows up.
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                      • #12
                        I'm 21 days out from one !

                        My 13.2 medium mare bred to a 15.3/4 oldenburg stallion is due to pop out her first foal the end of May. He is known for "refining" and his mother was a 14h Arab so I'm not too worried about the size differential. Check him out at www.goldenventurefarm.com, Saint Sandro, and she is on the expecting mare page "Chilli". Beyond excited - I have waited 5 years and been thru 3 other stallions to get this baby !

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                        • #13
                          I bred my 13.0 1/2 maiden welsh mare to a 15.1 holsteiner for a 2006 filly. Thankfully no problems with pregnancy or delivery. pony mare is now 14.1 on a good breezy spring day !! She has a huge step and a wonderful back end, making the strides is not a problem. Hope to breed the resulting pony in the future.

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                            We breed Warmbloods and Welsh Section A ponies. Our ponies are only 11-12hh, whilst our Warmbloods are 16hh+. I sometimes get people enquiring if we have any Welsh x Warmbloods for sale, but it's not something I've tried. I think the actual process of serving such small mares with a big stallion has risks.

                            As far as I know, the size of the foal at birth is determined by the size of the mare's uterus, so complications resulting from delivering an overly large foal may are not so common. The foal is born the same size as a regular pony foal, but catches up in growth after birth.

                            What would concern me, is the combination of characteristics the foal might inherit eg. huge body on stumpy legs!

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