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    Andy Folks - In-Utero Pricing

    Your opinions on this foal. I believe this is the mare's first. Pros/Cons, etc. Thanks!

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    No real opinion on that foal because the breed is not my specialty by any means. And I do not have a real idea of what a foal from those lines would be worth.

    But I can speak of selling/buying foals in-utero. I have sold 3 foals in-utero over the last month. It is a wonderful way for a buyer to be able to afford the foal of their dreams by making payments over several months. One of the three in-utero foals I sold was paid for upfront and 100%. One be is being stretched over the term of the pregnancy and the other is being split into 4 larger payments over the term of the pregnancy. So it is a way for the buyer to make the payment plan suit their needs with no need to pay for board etc on the foal/horse. Of course I do offer a LFG so if something were to happen during the pregnancy the breeding would be repeated. It can be risky because if you really want a foal that year and something happens during pregnancy/birth you may have to wait another whole year! I have a clause in my contract that allows the buyer to transfer monies already paid towards a different horse/foal should something happen to the inutero purchase they are making.
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      I believe that the general standard practice is that the foal is priced at a 30% discount if purchased in-utero to what the "on the ground" price would be.
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        Originally posted by MCarverS View Post
        I believe that the general standard practice is that the foal is priced at a 30% discount if purchased in-utero to what the "on the ground" price would be.
        I do not offer much in the way of discounts on in-utero sales. Sold one for 9,500 and that foal would be the same price if bought after birth. The inutero option gives the buyer a easier payment plan. I have sold some 2013 in-utero foals as well and again no extra discounts. They cost me the same to produce and care for...
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          If the discount thing is true, this foal, on ground would be roughly $17,000. Am I wrong in feeling that's quite a chunk of change?
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            Originally posted by WB Mom View Post
            If the discount thing is true, this foal, on ground would be roughly $17,000. Am I wrong in feeling that's quite a chunk of change?
            I don't see the 30% discount rule holding true very often. In my experience of selling in-utero foals anyway.

            WB mom; you could email them and ask if the price would be any different once the foal is born.
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              An $8,000 in-utero would be approximately=$12,000 on the ground.
              $9,000 in-utero= $13,000
              $10,000 in-utero= $14,000
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                IME there is no hard and fast, across the board rule about in utero pricing. While one breeder may discount by 30%, another may not. As has been pointed out on this board time and again, a horse is worth what a buyer will pay.
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                  Originally posted by Faiths CremelloWB View Post
                  I do not offer much in the way of discounts on in-utero sales. Sold one for 9,500 and that foal would be the same price if bought after birth. The inutero option gives the buyer a easier payment plan. I have sold some 2013 in-utero foals as well and again no extra discounts. They cost me the same to produce and care for...
                  The only way I would buy an inutero foal is if it WAS discounted. Otherwise why not just wait till it's born and pick the color/gender one prefers?

                  Why pay the same price for an (inutero) bay colt when what you really want is a chestnut filly?

                  As far as the breeder's cost -- the advantage to them is that they know the foal is sold as long as it's healthy -- and in this economy that is no small thing.

                  As to how much of a discount is offered, as Home Again notes, that can vary quite abit. But most of the inutero sales I've seen are discounted in some way.

                  Personally, I don't do inutero - -with my luck it would pretty much guarantee the foal would be born with it's head on backwards or something...

                  But seriously -- last year I was approached by a former customer who wanted a full sibling to the colt she bought from me some years ago. I did NOT want to do an inutero thing, however we agreed we would sign a contract for a sale once the mare was safely along in her pregnancy.

                  Well, we had just started talking about it and guess what? The mare aborted in her 6th month! A filly (the buyer wanted a colt). I swear we jinxed it by even discussing the matter...

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                    The only way I would buy an inutero foal is if it WAS discounted. Otherwise why not just wait till it's born and pick the color/gender one prefers?
                    I found with time that even if it's indeed an opportunity to save money to a certain point (I dont discount 30%.. more around 10 to 15%)... the clients who have bought in utero / custom foals from me didn't because of the discount. They did it to live and feel the whole breeding - excitment of waiting for a foal - foaling and "see me grow" experience. We involve our clients with all the steps of the process and this is what they like. When the foal is born, it's like they already know him. They are as much excited as we are to see him take his first steps and to find out what he looks like. It's creating a real bond that nobody of my clients so far regretted. And I really like to see the future owners of my foals be so involved. Then I know that foal will be really special for them and it is a real gift for a breeder.
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                      Re pricing, I'm with Mary-Lou and Spike, pretty much.
                      Sometimes people will want to purchase in-utero, if they feel (based on past-experience for a particular mare and her foals) that buying in-utero gives them a chance to own a particular cross, when said foal might have multiple interested buyers within days of birth.
                      As for pricing, I do discount a bit - with deeper discounting where a mare is a maiden, and I don't have a record of what she produces.
                      In-utero price is not always predictive of "born" price. For example, I had priced one in-utero at $X --- no buyers. When the foal was born, she sold rather quickly at 2 x $X. And well worth what the buyer was prepared to pay.
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                        Originally posted by Sunnydays View Post
                        Re pricing, I'm with Mary-Lou and Spike, pretty much.
                        Sometimes people will want to purchase in-utero, if they feel (based on past-experience for a particular mare and her foals) that buying in-utero gives them a chance to own a particular cross, when said foal might have multiple interested buyers within days of birth.
                        As for pricing, I do discount a bit - with deeper discounting where a mare is a maiden, and I don't have a record of what she produces.
                        In-utero price is not always predictive of "born" price. For example, I had priced one in-utero at $X --- no buyers. When the foal was born, she sold rather quickly at 2 x $X. And well worth what the buyer was prepared to pay.
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                          I would give Walter Henslee at Rancho Del Lago in McDade, TX a call. They stand super stallions and are terrific people to work with. They stand Magico VIII, Saltador Oro, and Dardanos..I know they have mares in foal. I just bought a Saltador colt from his SIL and daughter.

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                            Well, the Banbury line Andalusians (Cartujano) tend to have wonderful temperaments (very easily trained) coupled with outstanding movement, so the foal would be quite nice. The cons, foal MAY be a bit short (for some people) and the greys may develop melanomas. I can't help you with the in-utero thing, I would personally rather buy a live foal, but perhaps there is some sort of a LFG? Good luck in whatever you decide.
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                              Originally posted by Megaladon View Post
                              I can't help you with the in-utero thing, I would personally rather buy a live foal, but perhaps there is some sort of a LFG? Good luck in whatever you decide.
                              IME, in-utero contracts have LFGs. Otherwise, no one would buy them.
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