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  • Destano (Desperados/Bretano II)

    I tried breeding to his sire Desperados last year but I like his son Destano's way of going better. My only issue with him is the paddling. Has anyone seen his front legs? How correct are they?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ujP-7PbP4

    And some of his foals:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M94kGcsmcE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANClTZLGG8w

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5wIJNHq60

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLeV8oVBPhk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDC4fH08d5Q

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDC4fH08d5Q
    Fresh, Frozen & ISO Warmblood Breedings FB Group

  • #2
    Bump, Bump If I may!

    Hopefully someone might chime in.

    How are his legs?
    How are his foals' legs?
    Any additional thoughts about him?

    Always on the lookout for Mr. Right for my mare and really like this fellow. He has a wonderful way of going and I like his short compact frame. I prefer Desperados' length of neck a bit better but Destano's conformation at a glance is better than his sire, IMO, and his foals seem to inherit his lovely type and nice movement.

    Desperados looks to be a very consistent producer. Is it better to breed to the source of lovely boys like Destano or does Destano bring to the table additional strengths by way of his pedigree?

    I have an arabian mare (MMB GOV) and so for me I'm leaning toward consistency and proven but wondering if Destano might be a better option with the addition of Brentino and a little more "like" type??

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    • #3
      He's a little soft in the pasterns for my tastes. Take a look at ~1:20 on this video.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paR89...eature=related

      Otherwise very nice looking stallion.

      Dan
      www.dmwarmbloods.com
      http://www.facebook.com/pages/DM-War...3105523?ref=hl

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      • #4
        I have also been following him as an option for a Harvard mare in the future and am also interested in any comments from those who have seen him in the flesh.

        In 2011 there was a cute (Destano x Harvard x Rubinstein I) filly in the Oldenburg Elite Foal Auction: http://www.oldenburger-pferde.com/horses/67_3408.php She was #67, if you scroll down you can see a photo and video.

        But her Harvard dam has already produced a Licensed son by Desperados, Dream Diamond (Desperados x Harvard x Rubinstein I): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1nOHupSAdM

        I imagine they believed Destano might bring something extra to the table or why not just repeat the already proven, successful cross...?

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        • #5
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzxnm...=youtube_gdata

          This is video from November 2011. As quoted from the Oldenburg website below:

          "Also honored on Saturday were the 2011 Hauptpremium or "Main Premium" stallions for both Oldenburg and the OS. This is a honor given to a 5 year old stallion each year based on their own performance in sport, in the stallion performance tests, and on the quality of their first foals. In contention for the Oldenburg award were Fairbanks (Flemmingh x Identify (Inselfuerst)), Surprice (Sir Donnerhall x Pusteblume (Prince Thatch xx)), and Destano (Desperado x Bella Novanna (Brentano II)). In the end, the Hanoverian stallion Destano was crowned and celebrated as the Oldenburg Hymn was played. Destano was bred by Heinrich Giesselmann and was licensed in Oldenburg in 2009. He received outstanding scores of 8.69 for dressage and 8.94 for jumping in his 30 Day Test, and in his 70 Days test he received a dressage index of 134 with excellent individual scores of 9.0 for character, willingness and trot, and a 9.5 for his walk. He also presented two foals in the Oldenburg Elite auctions and had 28 premium Oldenburg foals. He is owned by and stands with Gestuet Sprehe. "

          I attended this event and thought Destano was a stand out. Gorgeous stallion that maintained his composure in an electric atmosphere. I can think of a number of my mares he would cross well.
          Nancy Holowesko
          www.crosiadorefarm.com
          Breeders of GOV Horses for Dressage

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          • #6
            Thank you so much for the additional comments!

            The way he moves off his pasterns is not something I noticed from his other videos and I'd be weary to make judgement on that based on slow motion video. Something to keep an eye out for sure though, thanks Dan!

            What a neat comparison Emy and I'm happy to read that you're having a look at him as well. Tough to know how she will mature but I like little wee filly's topline and I think she could have a bit more substance to her than her older half sibling. Would be really interesting to know how the breeders compare the two of them.

            Nancy, thanks so much! What do you think of his foals in general? Stamped? Consistent? You have some wonderful mares who have produced some wonderful foals. In fact, I see, via your website, you've breed to most of the stallions I have on my short list. I've read some wonderful things about his temperament and I appreciate your comments about that!

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            • #7
              Looks like Destano is doing well as a sire, the foals are very nice and very good movers. I still have 3 doses of Desperados and will use them, but will keep Destano in mind. I found another son, Decurio 2008 Hanoverian who is Desperados-Rostpon-Borneo(Bolero), so he has some of the same breeding as Destano. I will plan on visiting him on my next trip to Germany. The director of Moritzburger where he will be standing is very excited about him. He scored 154 in Dressage at his 30 day test, definitely worth a closer look. He's not yet on their website, www.saechsische-gestuetsverwaltung.de. He looks to have a fabulous canter and appears very elegant in the photos.

              I apologize from straying away from Destanos.
              www.brightfuturesporthorse.com
              www.globalequinesires.com

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              • #8
                Bumping this one up in hopes someone can tell me about personal experiences using Destano frozen. I'd love to use Desperados but have heard discouraging reports about his frozen.

                Has anyone bred to Destano? What was his semen quality like/how many doses did you use? Any offspring photos you could share?

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                • #9
                  I have used it. Unfortunately it didn't work but I think it was more of a mare issue. It looked really good under the scope.
                  www.svhanoverians.com

                  "Simple: Breeding,Training, Riding". Wolfram Wittig.

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                  • #10
                    I have one:
                    http://www.rollingstonefarm.com/list...gs/l0427.shtml
                    I haven't updated her page on my website (because I'm keeping her), but in 2016, she did the GOV MPT, obtained the Special Premium Mare title, was Grand Champion at two USDF breed shows, the top USDF Horse of the Year for three year old fillies, reserve USDF HOY for 3 y.o. Materiale and champion in both catagories for USDF All Breeds for GOV. I was at the same evening in Germany as Nancy was and liked Destano very much. One dose frozen semen, one pregnancy, done myself. Then I couldn't buy any more doses from the same frozen semen dealer...
                    http://www.rollingstonefarm.com
                    Large Oldenburg and Hanoverian breeding farm
                    Standing Shakespeare RSF, Fhitzgerald, Sir James and the homebred stallion Dheputy.

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                    • #11
                      I have one:
                      http://www.rollingstonefarm.com/list...gs/l0427.shtml
                      I haven't updated her page on my website (because I'm keeping her), but in 2016, she did the GOV MPT, obtained the Special Premium Mare title, was Grand Champion at two USDF breed shows, the top USDF Horse of the Year for three year old fillies, reserve USDF HOY for 3 y.o. Materiale and champion in both catagories for USDF All Breeds for GOV. I was at the same evening in Germany as Nancy was and liked Destano very much. One dose frozen semen, one pregnancy, done myself. Then I couldn't buy any more doses from the same frozen semen dealer...
                      http://www.rollingstonefarm.com
                      Large Oldenburg and Hanoverian breeding farm
                      Standing Shakespeare RSF, Fhitzgerald, Sir James and the homebred stallion Dheputy.

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                      • #12
                        Wow, MoSwanson, Dhanube is gorgeous! I can see why she's a keeper; congrats on such a special foal! Donella, sorry to hear you didn't get a pregnancy-but thank you for responding/sharing!

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