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  • Is this normal?

    One MONTH old colt. I would love to turn him and mom back out into the herd but caught him yesterday calling to a filly through the fence. He was dropped and becoming erect.

    He couldn't actually *do* anything, could he?

    He has both of his testes. It's going to be a long 5 months until gelding at this rate
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    No, he shouldn't be able to do anything yet.

    BUT, he could have been gelded the day he was born. In some breeds & some areas of the country, immediate gelding is practiced. You should discuss it with your vet if you are concerned.

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      #3
      He had a slight integual (that's not the right spelling) hernia and my vet wants to wait until october - believe me, it was the first thing I asked when he was born
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      • #4
        I had a very studdy colt one year, who seemed very precocious at just a couple of weeks old. My vet said that colts are sometimes born with a high level of testerone which subsides. Maybe that will be the case with your boy.
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        • #5
          I don't think there is a single vet in my area that would geld a newborn foal. Much better to wait until fall or winter anyway when the flies are gone. I have gelded just a couple of weeks prior to weaning (if that falls in the non-fly season) and been very happy with that.
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            #6
            Clint - how long did it take for the testosterone to subside? Did you keep him separated?

            I'll keep an eye on him, but he's not tall enough for heavens sake, never mind anything else

            Do you think it could damage him psychologically one way or the other and affect his future manners?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Molly Malone View Post
              Clint - how long did it take for the testosterone to subside? Did you keep him separated?

              I'll keep an eye on him, but he's not tall enough for heavens sake, never mind anything else

              Do you think it could damage him psychologically one way or the other and affect his future manners?
              No, he stayed with his small group, which consisted of him and another broodmare and her filly. He became less studdy going into the second month, as I remember, and acted like a normal colt for the rest of his time as a suckling. It has been a few years, but I was alarmed enough about him acting like a stud that I had that chat with my vet.

              Even if it could be done, I wouldn't geld a newborn. That is one thing I don't want to worry about; newborns are worrisome enough.
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              • #8
                I just had a 2 month old in for a hernia operation and figured I would get him gelded at the same time. Vets recommended against it and since they are the experts, we did not geld. I just thought it would be great to get both done at once.

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                • #9
                  I've known many breeders (generally stock horses though if that matters) that geld right away (at birth or within 2 days before they go back up). I've never heard a vet say anything about not doing a healthy foal. And if they are going to be under anyway why risk anesthesia twice?
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                  • #10
                    A lot of babies get gelded at 30 days - it isn't uncommon, especially some of the big race horse breeders (Standardbred & Tbred). I've had foals who are very studdy early on, some of them grow out of it, others don't. I've got one right now who is going on 3 months (and looks like he's 6 months), and he isn't growing out of it. He is already sold, so I can't geld him!
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                    • #11
                      I had one like this. The biggest concern is that they will get hurt by a mare because some mares just aren't having little Timmy act like he is a big boy even if they are in heat. The other thing is that they will try to mount mares that are not in heat because they don't know better or are confused about the process. I had to geld my colt at 3 months because I was really worried he would get hurt and didn't want to deprive him of socializing with other foals. He was talking to them like a mature stallion and trying to mount the mares. At 3 months his testicles were larger than the colt I gelded at 1 1/2 years. He was also packed out with muscle, huge boy.
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                      • #12
                        I have lots of the little boys act like that. Its a stage they go thru. Some of mine go up and down the fence line trying to get Blue Who (Hootie) to run with them. He is in the pasture next to them. Double fenced. They watch Hootie, call to him, posture like big boys in front of him, strike out, and you know, its all just fun and games. This behavior goes away soon. Some do it more than others, but believe me, it all goes away.
                        Sometimes, the litttle boys that are 3 or 4 months old start jumping on their pasture mates. This, again, goes away. It USUALLY (I say this tongue in cheek) does not start up again until they are long yearlings.

                        Its just colts. They act like little boys at times. Go with it. It does not last.
                        But NO WAY EVER would i do a castration on a very young foal. NEVER!!!!
                        Last edited by Sugarbrook; Jun. 18, 2008, 11:22 PM. Reason: re-thinking my post
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                        • #13
                          Molly,
                          I had one like this at two months old.. I was shocked and worried .....
                          he went so far as to approach mature mares.. they were NOT amused by juniors attempts to be a stallion.....he moved off when threatened.... but he pinned his ears right back while retreating!!!!!!!

                          It lasted about 2 weeks then he was done, and acted like a "normal" respectful colt, in fact he was very easy, NICEST colt to handle, and very laid back attitude.... (we did one Come to Jesus meeting when he tried to bite and kick me during his manly phase).

                          He never again acted interested in mares, though once weaned he went out with boys I did not have to wean early, he was gelded at a normal age. I do suspect, he finally got taken to church by one of the mares also

                          I just wanted to give you reassurance yours wasn't the only colt to discover his ahhhhhhh assests early on

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                            Well I tried putting them all together and things went just fine for a while, then he got ideas above his station with the older mares and yup, you were all correct, they were highly unamused, so that's that experiment done with and I'll wait for him to grow out of it, I guess.

                            I'm glad it's relatively normal I can't help feeling dreadfully sorry for his dam though.
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                            • #15
                              Molly, for some reason, over the years, I have found my mares much more tolerant of the little colts than they are of their filly babies. Thus, some bad behavior goes unpunished. I wonder if others have seen this? My very strict sage broodmares have a little colt, and it seems they just go.............ahhhhhhh...........!!!!!
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