I want to produce a hony. Yes, I'm serious.

[goodpony]

There is a photo of Naseel and some of his Irish Bred Offspring on this page: http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/reviews/1...dingpony.shtml

[allanglos]

I would like stallion recommendations for increasing the size on a 13.3 hand arabian mare. Ideally, I'd like a larger version of her, with a stronger loin/hip and better canter, that can do a bit of everything at the lower levels.

Since she is so small and this will be her first foal, I would like to stay with stallions under 15.2. Ideally, the stallion would be proven in some sport or by some association...but since my ideal height is frowned upon by most WB registries, approval isn't as important as performance/production records.

I have all ready looked into pony stallions for this mare, and have a few contenders. I am simply wondering if there are any hidden fellas that are bigger then pony sized to consider.

Thanks in advance!

Why not breed her to an Arabian? There are many fabulous sport type Arabians at www.shnpayback.org that are all offered at half off to raise money for the non profit. There are other breeds listed as well. Foals by any of these stallions could win money for life at the Sport Horse Nationals. Makes showing pay for itself if you have a winner

I also have a National Champion Anglo Arabian stallion, but he is 16.1H. Great canter, though. And he adds size.

[paintjumper]

I can't remember.....

but isn't there a black Rotspon stallion out there somewhere. I remember he was a pretty little fella, but I can't remember his name. Also, that Don De Marco stallion here in Georgia is not very big, I'm not sure exactly what he measures, but I've been told he is little...he's fancy too.

[allanglos]

but isn't there a black Rotspon stallion out there somewhere. I remember he was a pretty little fella, but I can't remember his name. Also, that Don De Marco stallion here in Georgia is not very big, I'm not sure exactly what he measures, but I've been told he is little...he's fancy too.

That would be Ridley:

http://shnpayback.org/stallions/ridley.xml

And here is info on Don De Marco:

http://shnpayback.org/stallions/don_de_marco.xml

[smokygirl]

I'd go arabian (or Welsh bc I love Wedderlie Mardi Gras, and a 13.3 hh mare.. would be good justification for breeding for a non-PB lol).

[ChocoMare]

Why not breed her to an Arabian? ....

Or 1/2 Arabian?

[Tamara in TN]

I'd only add that (breeding pony sized animals as I do) the babies almost always come within the hand of the mares size when put to bigger stallions.


depending on luck or how firm the genetics are in the mare base (where they all 13.3 back for the last 60 years or was this mare small and her mother 15.2??), you may not increase anything by breeding the mare "up" in size.

Tamara

[kinnip]

but isn't there a black Rotspon stallion out there somewhere. I remember he was a pretty little fella, but I can't remember his name. Also, that Don De Marco stallion here in Georgia is not very big, I'm not sure exactly what he measures, but I've been told he is little...he's fancy too.

I was told he was near 15.2hh. I was also told that he still manages to throw some larger get. Of course, I can in no way guarantee the veracity of those claims.

[Sportpony]

Can you elaborate or am I supposed to accept that because it worked twice (the full siblings goodpony mentioned), then it will always work, without any guidelines or cautions?

I'm another breeder that has seen a number of exceptionally nice Connemara/Arab crosses.

I've bred several myself, 6 or 8 I think, over the years, using two different Connemara stallions on Arab or half-Arab mares. Youngsters from these crosses have gone on to do hunters, eventing and/or dressage quite successfully.

The owner of the sire of my current Connemara stallion competed in endurance with him and a high percentage of mares that were bred to him were Arabs. When I was considering him for my purebred mare I looked at a number of his foals and the Arab crosses were very consistent, very athletic and very trainable although all of the ones I saw did go into endurance.

The only considerations I would suggest with the Arab cross would be remember some Arabs from some of the show lines can be high strung, which doesn't always work well ... and you can get the higher tail set and lighter rear end from the Arab. If you select for the good, solid working type Arab I would not forsee any issues.

[keepingitonthedownlow]

Thanks for the great discussion!

Allanglos, I have considered arabian stallions for her, in fact, there are three listed on the SHN payback auction that have made my "top ten" list. I've been asking for recommendations on the arabian breeders forum, and got a pretty significant list to research from them.

So far, my "top ten" list is made up of arabian and Sport Pony stallions, with two connemaras thrown in for good measure. I wanted to get as much information as possible, and figured COTH posters could help come up with a different set of names to research.

Tamara, from what I can discover, her pedigree ranges in size from 14.2-15 hands pretty consistantly. I believe she is so small due to her being a first foal and not well fed. Thanks for passing on your experience as to how much more size you typically get from pony mares...it is something I'll continue to keep in the back of my mind.

Thanks again yall!

[Crown Royal]

Playland equestrian center has been crossing their arabs for eventing with their Irish Draught stallion and most are 15.2/15.3. Also Bell Tower Stud has Winmaur Seargent pepper 15.2 and is a nice dressage horse. Snowford Bellman produces small.

I would not breed the OP's mare to an RID for a first foal. I know one specifically that Playland produced that is 16.1 1/2 with a 16.2hh RID sire (It's the Luck of the Irish) and out of an Arabian mare. Didn't know him as a newborn so I can't say anything about the delivery of the foal, but he turned out big. I also know a 13.2/13.3 mare that's crossed every year with It's the Luck of the Irish (16.2) and produces anything from 15.1 to 16 hands so who knows. But for a first foal, I wouldn't breed to a stallion heavy like that.

[smokygirl]

Thanks for the great discussion!

Allanglos, I have considered arabian stallions for her, in fact, there are three listed on the SHN payback auction that have made my "top ten" list. I've been asking for recommendations on the arabian breeders forum, and got a pretty significant list to research from them.

So far, my "top ten" list is made up of arabian and Sport Pony stallions, with two connemaras thrown in for good measure. I wanted to get as much information as possible, and figured COTH posters could help come up with a different set of names to research.

Tamara, from what I can discover, her pedigree ranges in size from 14.2-15 hands pretty consistantly. I believe she is so small due to her being a first foal and not well fed. Thanks for passing on your experience as to how much more size you typically get from pony mares...it is something I'll continue to keep in the back of my mind.

Thanks again yall!

What's her breeding?

[BaroquePony]

ArdCeltic Art is a gorgeous pony. His conformation is awesome and I would think he would make an incredible cross with an old school Polish type arab.

[savvy9]

Check out Empires Power - he is lovely! www.empirespower.com

He is consistently producing looks, movement, jump and brain in a medium sized package - I bred him to my TB mare and got a gorgeous small horse.....

[winter]

You should look at the dutch stallion Whirlwind. Registered with Canadian Warmblood. He is little (15.3 maybe) but jumps and moves. His offspring move spectacularly. He has also been put to quite a few anglo-arab mares with success. None of the video/pictures used to promote him do him justice, but his babies so far have been very nice.

http://canadianwarmbloods.com/stalli...orseid=1000065

[winter]

Actually if you look on the MJ Farms website, they have a half arabian by whirlwind for sale....would be nice to see the cross already!

[carolprudm]

Can you elaborate or am I supposed to accept that because it worked twice (the full siblings goodpony mentioned), then it will always work, without any guidelines or cautions?

FWIW, I only know of the results, not the thought processes that went into thee breeding decision.

[Burbank]

have you looked at Icarus De Carolina? He is Selle Francais and about 15.3, as a test his breeder crossed him with either a small or med pony and the end product was an adorable large pony, so you might get a pony or hony.

[keepingitonthedownlow]

What's her breeding?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/champagn+isabella

Thanks for the continued discussion and additional names! Please keep the recommendations coming!

[keepingitonthedownlow]

There is a photo of Naseel and some of his Irish Bred Offspring on this page: http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/reviews/1...dingpony.shtml

I finally got to a computer to be able to view this page, since my phone wouldn't let me load the photos for some reason...and what an interesting page and history. I think my mare looks like a bay version of Naseel.