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Stallion Suggestions! Hopeing to bred an upper level event horse.

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  • Stallion Suggestions! Hopeing to bred an upper level event horse.

    I have a 16yr old 16h AHS TB broodmare that I want to bred in 2009 to "hopefully" get an upper level event horse.

    She has never been proven herself (hence the "hopefully") under saddle, but shows that she could have been a succseful event horse.

    I would like to add length to her front legs, have a more free shoulder, step under more, have a better topline, have more correct pasterns (they are a bit short/upright) and a little more scope. I would definatly like more height.

    I am not looking for these all to be fixed, but I am striving to improve most of these things on her.

    If there are other/diffrent things you think should be improved on her, please speak you mind!

    Here are pics.
    She is skinny/doesnt have much muscle but shows her overall confo.

    One of the first times shes been free jumped. Shows scope over other jumps.

    Her as a 5yr old at her AHS inspection



    I am not looking in a specific price range as I am willing to spend $$ on a stallion if it would be a good match for her (since this is going to be my horse), breed doesnt matter but must be registerable (willing to try and get approved with another registry), willing to do fresh or frozen. Fine with a dressage stallion that passes on jumping ability.
    Last edited by faluut42; May. 30, 2008, 02:58 AM. Reason: changed title
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    Silvio in Middleburg, Va. Has olympic horses in all three disciplines up close in his pedigree. The worlds #1 showjumper Shutterfly. The hottest dressage line, Sandro Hit. And Volturno on the dam's side.

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    • #3
      I sent you an email

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      • #4
        Look for a stallion with a better shoulder angle and shorter cannon bones. You would probably be best served by using a proven eventing stallion, since passing on the combination of courage, balance, gallop, careful technique, and correct jumping mechanics are an unknown coming from the mare's side. Good luck!
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        • #5
          Look at Riverman at Hilltop Farm in Maryland.
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          • #6
            If you are looking for an upperlevel eventer, I would suggest looking at an Irish draught sport horse or an Irish Draught. CLover Cliste and Cruising are lovely stallions, Denny Emmerson has a gorgeous guy. Huntingfields Proud Tim RID is a nice stallion. Other stallions can be seen at http://www.irishdraught.com
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              #7
              I am definalty looking into eventing stallions, Irish horses, but i dont want to close my options to warmbloods. I have ridden this mare LOVE her canter (naturally balanced), when I have free jumped her she hates touching polls, there is a lot I like about this mare and that is why I am breeding a horse for myself out of her.

              There are a few eventing stallions or stallions known for prodicing eventers that I would kill to bred to but there semen is no longer avaliable. So that is why I am asking for suggestions.
              "Let the fence be the bit." - Phillip Dutton

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              • #8
                I had 2 lovely foals out of my AHS TB mare by Fabuleux. Both had super, super canters and looked like they could really gallop cross country (one is a yearling, the other a 2 year old). Fabuleux is by Fabriano (all arounder) and 2 of Fabuleux's full sisters are in the Hanoverian Jumping program. I really liked the cross.

                The vet who did the PPE on the 2 year old colt (who was 8 mos at the time) is a Preliminary level eventer (married to an advanced level eventer) and he LOVED this colt. After the prepurchase, I ran into the vet, who then told me (he couldn't tell me at the PPE because earlier he was working for the buyers) that this colt had the BEST conformation (ie, really correct) of any foal he had done a PPE on and that he also thought he was one of the best movers he had seen. And this vet is very busy and does a lot of PPE and works with a lot of eventing clients.
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                • #9
                  I second the Irish Draught opinion. Most, if not all, RID or RIDSH stallions will produce the conformation you desire, and the ability to do the job.

                  There is a long list, and a long tradition, of the Irish Draught x TB being a spectacular upper level prospect. Currently at advanced are: Tipperary Liadhnan, McKinlaigh, Ballincoola, Connaught, Dun to a T, Lenamore, Tankers Town, Tom Quigley, Arthur, Cahir, Hugh Knows, Kirby Park Irish Jaime, plus many others that I'm just not recalling. Tipperary Liadhnan is 5/8 ID; Lenamore, Cahir, Tankers Town, and McKinlaigh are 1/2 ID; and the others are 1/4 ID.

                  Most of the bloodlines represented by the horses I listed are available via fresh semen in the US. Visit www.irishdraught.com for the stallion rosters.
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                  • #10
                    How about Formula 1
                    http://www.tamarackhill.com/Stallions/F1.htm

                    I saw him at the Equine Affair this past year, he's a nice horse. Big jump in him too

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                    • #11
                      Jaguar Mail, will fit your bill. He's on his way to the Olympics with the Swedish Team (jumping), and will refine add movements and looks. In 2007 he covered:

                      Headley's Britannia (winner of Badminton and Burghley and probably going to the Games)
                      Fachoudette (went to the Europeans last year and long listed for this year's Games)
                      The Wexford Lady (Athens games)
                      Winsome Adante's mother
                      Bruce Davidson's Jam (10th Burghley)

                      That's quite a list, and there have to be reasons why these breeders are using him. The semen is already in the US at ERC and we can normally get it to you in 24 hours. he's 1600€ live foal guarantee and the semen is absolutely superb quality.

                      By Hand in Glove xx out of a Laudanum mare.

                      Here's his link:

                      http://www.frenchstallions.org/frenc...allion=2007009

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                      • #12
                        I agree with the Irish suggestion. I kept my guy whole until just recently b/c I felt so strongly about how he would cross on TBs for eventing (3/4 TB; 1/4 ID). I still kind of kick myself for gelding him...but I digress. You just cannot beat their minds.

                        I really like O'leary's Irish Diamond, but I know the 3/4 or more TB seems to be pretty popular in the upper levels and he would give you 1/2 ID, but he does have offspring showing promise at GP Show Jumping. This is his site http://kinsonstud.com/ and I crossed him with a very tall/leggy TB mare http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/i...roundpen12.jpg not all that dissimilar to yours and got this http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/i...MG_6046web.jpg (1/2 TB) and this is his 3/4 TB http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/i...t=IMG_6078.jpg and her dam. Just to give you an idea of size and crosses with that bloodline.

                        OLID is the most accomplished ID in the US having competed Prix St George in dressage and show jumping, and throwing eventers, show jumpers, and dressage horses. You get jump and movement.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zangersheide View Post
                          Jaguar Mail, will fit your bill. \
                          What a lovely stallion

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                            For fresh semen, have you thought of Cicera's Icewater? He's over 17 hands and has a tremendous gallop. Has been with David O'Connor for the past couple of years.

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                              Originally posted by ShowjumpersUSA View Post
                              For fresh semen, have you thought of Cicera's Icewater? He's over 17 hands and has a tremendous gallop. Has been with Bruce Davidson for the past couple of years.

                              http://www.westwiththewind.com/pages...=1139684136832

                              I thought he was with Team O'Connor.
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                              • #16
                                Autocrat..absolutely. He crosses very well with tb mares, he has alot of blood. He improves toplines, trot and jump and has legs that go on for miles. I don't think there is a better option in the AHS stallion base if you are breeding for eventing. One of the girls I ride with was a very competative eventer (like nationally) and she bred her tb mare to him for this purpose. Plus his semen is fantastic and the SO's are great.

                                He is also quite tall.

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                                • #17
                                  I'm biased to Mannhattan - mostly b/c my mare is booked to her, however I know he has some offspring doing well in eventing. Waterford is a great gelding that's got Mannhattan lines that I know of off the top of my head, and he's got great bone without being too heavy. I guess it also depends on what your preference is. I have a Clyde-TB X that does lower level stuff and is brilliant but I tend to prefer slightly lighter for the higher levels for agility, while still maintaining enough bone density for soundness of course. There are definitely some great suggestions on the board, though like I said I'm biased

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by pacificsolo
                                    Who are the stallions you would have liked to have bred her to if their semen was still available? That may help with getting an idea as to what type of horse you are drawn to

                                    She's a pretty girl. Do you know why she has dropped so much weight?
                                    Cavalier Royale is one, he stamps his offpsring and not to mention sires event horses like Babamist! Jumbo, again, sires advanced eventers like no other. Stakkato (just because of his OUTSTANDING jumping ability).

                                    Shes skinny because it was winter and all she was feed was grass hay (I just got her in March and the pics where taken a week or two after I got her), and unfortunatly I think she is one that needs to be grained (to encourage her to eat), shes not an aggressive eater and I will find her walking away from her food if she doesnt feel like eating...
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                                    • #19
                                      I will offer elite Hanoverian Raffaello for your consideration. He consistantly stamps his foals with his tall leggy, elegant type with a medium frame for an ideal modern type. He has been selected to the Hanoverian Jumper Breeding program and shown successfully showjumping, hunter and now dressage under an amateur rider. He has the big gallop stride that can compress to a sit, a careful and consistant jump. For all interior factors such as rideability, willingness to work and character, he received a 9 on in his 100 day test and he wins friends everywhere : )

                                      I'd invite you to see our website at:

                                      http://www.synergysporthorses

                                      and our Chronicle Page for more recent foals and dressage photos:

                                      http://www.chronicleofmyhorse.com/pr...y_Sport_Horses
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                                      • #20
                                        I'm confused about what she has done...evented or been a broodie? If she's a 16 y.o. maiden and you're looking to breed next year at 17, then I'd recommend sticking to fresh semen.

                                        Formula One is producing some nice babies. I've met a couple at Denny's.

                                        Landfriese is in CA now and has a number of upper level kids competing in Europe.

                                        Beaulieu's Conquest or Coolman are both producing some nice babies, but are themselves pretty young, so not proven.

                                        Cicera's Icewater is nice and I would consider him if the mare has a good gallop.

                                        I would look for stallions with a lot of blood if going the WB route. I love my Cybabies that are 75-85% TB. I think they'll make great eventers.

                                        Good luck in your search. I'm coming up blank at the moment, but there are some other boys that came to mind when I first saw your thread. Maybe they'll come back to me! Old age is hell, ya know? LOL
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