• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.


1 of 2 < >

Event Announcements now available FREE to all registered users

We just reconfigured the Event Announcements forum to be available as a free service for all registered forum users. See the thread stuck at the top of that forum for more information.
2 of 2 < >

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

How to tell if a mare is approved?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • How to tell if a mare is approved?

    I bought a broodmare last fall that was sold to me as double approved. I have registration papers for her from Oldenburg (Main Mare BooK) and also a three generation pedigree from KWPN of North America that gives her a number but says it is not a registration paper. I also have a copy of the KWPN registration for one of her foals and also a copy of the registration from Oldenburg for another of her foals. Is there some other paper I need to show she is approved by both these registries, or is this all the proof I need? I assume since both her foals were registered she was approved by both, but am not sure.
    Thanks for any help you can give me.
    Sue Myers

  • #2
    If she has a KWPN-registered foal, then she's approved at least KWPN.

    She is also approved MMB GOV (as opposed to registered as stated)

    Each of those registries will have her on record as being approved and in which book she resides (though you already know MMB for GOV).
    The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


    • #3
      If she has been inspected and taken into the mare book - there should be something on the papers saying so.
      Something that would should show her being in the main mare books would be in my eyes a piece of paper showing her inspection scores. You should get into contact with Oldenburg and KWPN society and ask for these kind of papers. (Do not know how KWPN wokrs) but For Oldenburg there should be something like this and maybe also Mare Test results.
      If she has german passport than there should be somewhere a sticker in it that she was taken into the marebook. There are special pages in the passport where this info goes.
      I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC
      2017: March: Filly by Lissaro - SPS Don Frederico - SPS Prince Thatch
      May: Finnigan - Sandro Hit - SPS Rouletto


      • #4
        Originally posted by ShadowsMom View Post
        I have registration papers for her from Oldenburg (Main Mare BooK)
        If it is the red vinyl Pferdepass with pink papers, look on the page that says "Zuchtbucheintragungen" (Studbook Registration). I think it is page 13 or thereabouts. Her mare approval status will be listed there, with her mare book assignment and date she was approved.


        • Original Poster

          Thanks for all you help...

          She is a cross between a Dutch stallion and a APHA mare, so I don't think she is "registered" at either ISR/Oldenburg or KWPN but I was told she was "approved" by both these registries.
          One of the papers I received with her is an "official" sheet of paper from Oldenburg that says Main Mare Book and it has her score and name on it.
          I also have something from KWPN that is a 3 generation pedigree with her name on the top on which is stated: "Certificate of Pedigree which is an indication of lineage with at least one registered foalbook or auxilliary foalbook Dutch parent". They have her name and a number on it.
          I also have a copy of registration papers for one of her foals with Oldenburg and a different registration paper for another of her foals with KWPN. I would assume she would have to be approved for both these registries to have foals registered with them? She doesn't have any pink papers because she was born in the US and is a cross with a KWPN stallion and a paint mare.
          So are these all the papers I need to take to an inspection with a foal? (along with the Breeding Certificate from the stallion owner). She doesn't have a foal now, but I want to make sure when I breed her next year that I have everything I need to register her foal.
          Thanks so much for any help you can give me.
          Sue Myers


          • #6
            Well ... if she is a cross of a KWPN stallion and a paint mare, she can not be registered Oldenburg nor approved in main mare book. Just not possible. But others knowing more about OLD should be better sources of infomation. maybe you should scan all paperwork you have and may mail it to one of the people knoiwing more about Old and KWPnN or the registries themselves whether they are original.
            I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC
            2017: March: Filly by Lissaro - SPS Don Frederico - SPS Prince Thatch
            May: Finnigan - Sandro Hit - SPS Rouletto


            • #7
              Well ... if she is a cross of a KWPN stallion and a paint mare, she can not be registered Oldenburg nor approved in main mare book.
              Actually, it IS possible although the Paint parent would have to be mostly TB. Here are the requirements for MMB approval, directly from the ISR/Old webpage:

              •An overall score of not less than 94 points and no individual score of less than 5.0 points.
              •Proof of pedigree of 3 generations with more than 75% approved bloodlines* and an official registration documentation from an approved registry*.

              Thus, if she is (for example) 26% TB along with her 50% Dutch, I believe she could be accepted into the Main Mare Book.

              It sounds like this mare has a Certificate Of Pedigree from KWPN and was approved MMB by ISR/Old. The COP would show the required number of generations and (I think) count as the official registration document. I do not know what book her KWPN foals would be put in but I'm guessing it would not be the main one.

              When taking a foal to an ISR/Old inspection, you will need a Breeding Certificate (from an ISR/Old approved stallion) and the Mare's papers and MMB certificate.

              Follow us on Facebook!


              • #8
                If her sire is a KWPN approved stallion or stallion recognised by the KWPN and she is bred to a KWPN approved stallion or stallion recognised by the KWPN then her progeny will automatically be registered in the Main foal book and will be eligible for presentation at the keurings as a foal and again as a three year old for entry to Main Stud Book.

                Many mares are never presented at Keurings and remain in the foal book but their progeny can still be registered KWPN in the main foal book on the provision that they meet the stud book criteria.
                Last edited by L&L; Aug. 14, 2011, 03:56 AM.


                • Original Poster

                  Thank you Trinity and L&L, your explanations are both very clear and I can see now how this mare can be approved by both KWPN and ISR/Oldenburg. I am relieved!
                  Sue Myers


                  • #10
                    As far as KWPN is concerned, if she has a COP then she is not and cannot be "approved", as I understand it. See the chart of registration possibilities from the KWPN NA website

                    Also, see the section on "Books and Registers" here

                    To be approved and in the breeding studbook the mare would have to go thru the keuring process. Since only foalbook (Vb) and Reg A foals can do that (Reg B and COP cannot), then she cannot be approved. Her foal could have been entered in Vb, Reg A or Reg B, depending on the stallion (I'm relying here on the top left part of the linked grid, for the combination of a riding stallion and a riding mare with at least COP/Reg B status (which would be the same results as a mare from an Erkend studbook).

                    Since you have a copy of the foal's papers you can double-check by seeing which book the foal is in, how the sire is registered/approved, and comparing against the grid I linked above.

                    The folks in the KWPN office in Oregon have always been incredibly helpful at deciphering this, so I urge you to contact them to clarify anything.
                    Last edited by Nod Hill Farm; Aug. 14, 2011, 07:19 AM.


                    • #11
                      Who is the sire of your mare?

                      The sire of a Certificate of Pedigree mare must be KWPN Approved , Erkend or registered in the KWPN Foalbook in order for that mare's offspring to qualitfy for Foalbook. Otherwise the foal will qualify for Register B only.

                      Was her KWPN foal reg. B or main foal book?
                      Breeder of Royal Dutch Sport Horse


                      • #12
                        Ah, so the mare was approved by ISR/ONA, not the official North American division of The Oldenburg Verband, The Oldenburg Horse Breeders Society. They are totally different registries, and ISR/ONA has more lenient mare book policies than OHBS or the Verband (or most of the European WB registries, for that matter).

                        OP - who was the sire of your mare? And are all the stallions in the past three generations of her dam's pedigree Thoroughbreds? Or are some of them APHA stallions?