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5 mares, 5 stallions, 7 breedings= no pregnancies

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  • 5 mares, 5 stallions, 7 breedings= no pregnancies

    I hope no one minds, but I just need a forum to cry, share with. My depression and sorrow are unbelieveable. What are the odds?
    I can't stop crying or thinking about it. Everything done right, mares checked cultured, great motility, horn breeding with great timing at ovulation. What happened?

    My husband is very supportive and tells me we will try again next year, but I am beyond upset. I was really looking forward to these breedings.

    I know someof you have experienced this as well, I just wanted to share with someone who understood.

    Thanks for listening


  • #2
    I can share, I've been breeding for 8 years.
    This is my worst ever:
    5 mares, 7 cycles all with proven fertile stallions (with many pregnancies announced on this board-cry!!) and no pregnancies.

    Beyond frustrating as I have waiting list for some of these mare's babies and at least one was a custom foal.
    I work with a therionologist (repro expert).
    One mare has an infection and we are breeding her for the last time in two weeks.

    I share your pain. This is a first for me (no babies coming..)
    Yes, next year will be a new year!!
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    • #3
      Oh, I feel for both of you. How frustrating and depressing.
      I hope next year you are batting 100@%.
      Sunny Days Hanoverians


      • #4
        <raises hand>

        Count me in. Finally I have one mare confirmed in foal - though she's not mine. 1 foal, 2 years, 3 vets, 4 mares, 5 stallions and a partridge in a pear tree.

        Not sure if I can do a third year emotionally, never mind financially.
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        • #5
          oh wow that is just awful. our vet uses the expression that has become our favorite in times like this; 'mares are a four letter word'. Hang in there.. it can only get better from here.
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          • #6
            I feel your pain- have a glass of wine on me I can offer you some hope!
            1 mare - 6 cyles - 3 stallions = 1 Pregnancy (whoo-hoo)
            2nd mare- 3 cycles- 1 absorption - 3 stallions = 31 day heartbeat
            Expecting 2017 foals by Vagabond de la Pomme, Cornet Obolensky, Zirocco Blue, Catoki and Christian.


            • #7
              Oh, I am so sorry that you have had such a horrid breeding season. I do have some foals coming, but I am not sure how- my husband just read me the riot act for the vet bills rolling in...
              this is a tough business, in tough times. We all need to pray that next year will be a less stressful one, all the way round for all.

              Fleur de Lis Hanoverians


              • #8
                I am so sorry! It seems like it was a bad breeding season for many! I used 5 different stallions and bred 4 mares a total of 7 times. I wasted a lot of money. Before this year, I was 10 for 10 with getting mares in foal on the first try. I completely understand your frustatration but as Peg said, it is a tough business.
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                • #9
                  I feel your pain...trying to breed four mares. First mare is on try 4 and the first with a different stallion as we now think he was the issue. Mare two will get try two in a couple weeks, first try was perfect but no luck. Mare three had has two perfect tries but no luck. The only thing we can figure is that she just may be a mare that won't catch with a gigantic foal at her side. Mare four is the saddest of all because she did catch first try, slipped between day 16 and day 27 then came down with severe neurological symptoms was diagnosed as EPM and we had to put her down

                  Hopefully by the end of this month I will have atleast one in foal...


                  • #10
                    We have had many difficult breeding seasons, but very lucky... fortunate this year. We are three for three on four cycles and only because FedEx lost one of the packages.

                    This has been a tough season for many, but I guess the cards were in our favor!


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NickRick View Post
                      I hope no one minds, but I just need a forum to cry, share with. My depression and sorrow are unbelieveable. What are the odds?
                      I can't stop crying or thinking about it. Everything done right, mares checked cultured, great motility, horn breeding with great timing at ovulation. What happened?

                      My husband is very supportive and tells me we will try again next year, but I am beyond upset. I was really looking forward to these breedings.

                      I know someof you have experienced this as well, I just wanted to share with someone who understood.

                      Thanks for listening

                      Trust me, almost ALL of us have been there and many of us own the t-shirt.

                      Chapters from MY BOOK OF SORROWS:

                      * My 2nd year breeding I spent $12K on stud fees and vet costs and had ZERO pregnancies.

                      * Leased a mare who had repeatedly conceived if you waved semen in the general direction of her butt. Had produced some 6-8 foals. I had her for 2 years (doing c & c's ,etc) and bred her with chilled, frozen and finally with LC and she conceived ONCE and lost the pregnancy at 30+ days.

                      * One year had 7 foals due...boy, was I happy! Ended up losing 3 of them; one abortion due to placentitis, one due to dummy syndrome and one due to congential birth defects. Almost 50% of my foal crop...and let's not even get into the vet fees involved.

                      * I owned a stallion. He had an awesome fertility rate and his foals sold quickly. So after years of just producing a few foals every year, I decided to REALLY go for it!! I bought 3 mares to breed to him & leased 5 others. O/o of those EIGHT mares (all bred LC)only THREE conceived...and one of those reabsorbed early on. Then the stallion broke his leg in the pasture and that was that...

                      So trust me, you aren't the only one...but I still feel for you.

                      This year I only bred 2 mares. Both caught first cycle w/ chilled semen and both are (at this point) still pregnant.

                      So right now I'm happy as a pig in the sunshine....but I know better than to get too smug...we're still along way from producing a healthy foal.

                      It's horse breeding....stuff happens...just tell yourself "tomorrow is another day..."


                      • #12
                        oh.. big hug. I am so sorry. But, you are not alone.
                        Year one - 1 mare, 3 times, no pregnancies... cycle forward for the next 4 years.. 3 times each year, different stallions each time.. no pregnancies. Mare nice riding horse now

                        Year two - import mare #2, a 4 year old in foal to famous stallion that does not freeze. Trouble during foaling, mare rips through rectum, foal dies. Luckily mare is repaired and has continued to produce but only every other year

                        How we continued after those first years is beyond me. But we now don't buy old mares and hold back own fillies.

                        Went through 5 vets since the beginning but last 4 years with same vet who is an expert with frozen. This year 4 for 4 on first cycle, a first for us and no clue how that happened.

                        Hang in there. For what it's worth you switched stallions to help your odds. That is good thing.
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                        Rare damline of 7 direct generations of Elite/States Premium Mares.


                        • #13
                          Bad year here too. Three mares, three cycles each, no pregnancy. We're trying one of them to a different stallion that's close to us (thus no shipping) and crossing our fingers.


                          • #14
                            I am so, so sorry and I feel your pain. Kudos to your husband for being supportive....not sure mine would be. I have two mares I bred to one stallion (with excellent semen and conception rate) over three years. Mare #1, I retired after 4 tries with cooled. Mare #2, three years later, FINALLY got in foal after I took her to a specialist. Here is the result, named "Summerwood's Dream Come True": http://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set...8946326&type=1

                            Thank God she is a filly, because we are now on try #2 and third shipment of semen for the same mare!

                            Breeding is a rollercoaster ride, and often an expensive one!!
                            Summerwood Farm Welsh Ponies~


                            • #15
                              I feel your pain. We are also having our worst year yet. 4 mares, 7 cycles, 2 vets and only 1 confirmed in foal. We're breeding one more and have 2 preg checks next week so that *might* improve (one can only hope...). None have settled on the first try (yet). We've also had good timing and good semen (for the most part). This is the first year I'm not working for my repro vet so I have no breeding discounts and we're bleeding $$$...
                              Not to mention the colt we sold in-utero that has been nothing but a health headache...
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                              • #16
                                Add me to the "Worst Year Ever" group ... (so - who is going to be designing the T-shirts for us to buy and wear?!)

                                And the bummer of it is that I own the stallion, the mares are parked right across from him and right beside him, the timing has been perfect (followed them through to ovulation) and still nothing. BUT ... have the vet coming back out for 2 of them. Im still not 100% convinced that they are not in foal. He couldnt find an embryo but he couldnt see any follicles either and its WAY too early for them to have shut down ...

                                And to make it worse, the mares that have come in here for breeding and the ones we shipped semen on? In foal. 100% of them so far, so on those mares I can get it right. On my own? Not so great ...

                                Out of 3 of my own mares, I have 1 in foal and if the remaining 2 arent in foal - thats it for this year. I'll start earlier next year with them

                                We ALL feel your pain ... believe me ...

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                                • #17
                                  Reading this thread makes me feel a bit relieved that we didn't breed any mares this year. The weather here in the SE corner of PA was cold & wet, then really hot, then cold & wet again and then it got scorching hot...the mares who are/were in work had incredibly long transitional heats - can't imagine trying to breed on those...

                                  Hopefully, things turn around for you guys and the Fertility Gods smile upon those of you who are still waiting for good news!
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                                  • #18
                                    From 2000 to 2008, my stats looked like this:
                                    14 cycles- 11 inseminations (on 3 mares)- 1 foal
                                    I learned about hemorraghic follicles, twinning, hormones, and the importance of specialists.

                                    Then things finally changed
                                    2009: 1 cycle, 1 insemination, and a filly the following year
                                    2010: 2 mares, both caught first try (1 fresh, 1 frozen) and delivered 2 gorgeous fillies this year.
                                    2011: 1 try with frozen (stallion known for being "iffy") and we have a 35 day heartbeat :-)

                                    Hang in there!

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                                    • #19
                                      This season was an unmitigated disaster. I bred 8 mares, used 9 stallions through 18 cycles. I use a top equine repro vet. My mares have not had any infections, we have judiciously used oxy and addressed any and all issues. Most of the stallions have a good record of pregnancies.

                                      The result? I have 2 foals coming here in the states next year and 1 in Germany. Geesh. I wish I had not added that up. It makes me want to cry.
                                      Mary Lou


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                                      • #20
                                        And then you pray the foals stay healthy. Seriously, we are crazy. Certifiable. We should all take up something more financially rewarding, like standing at the end of a windy dock and tearing up $100 dollar bills.