• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Do dams teach their foals THEIR toilet habits???

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Do dams teach their foals THEIR toilet habits???

    Or is that even possible???

    My Pearlescent mare is the neatest mare on the face of the planet bless her heart.

    In her stall, her poops are all lined up in a row like neat little soldiers against the back wall. There is never a ball out of place. She pees in the same area as well.

    Outside, she will walk over to her "designated" poop area and make her deposit there. No matter where she is in the paddock, she will always walk over to "the" area to do her business. I muck their paddocks each day and I know in her paddock, there is only one spot I need to go to ...

    Every single one of her foals have been the same - they walk over with Mom and pee and poop in that area and I have a few little "baby" piles next to Mom's "big" piles. The stall is the same

    The other mares go wherever and their piles will be scattered throughout the paddocks. Their foals have been the same

    Is this really a heritable trait or one that can be taught to their offspring? I would have never thought that a horse would be capable of having the thought process necessary to actually think out where they will poop every single day, inside or out???

    Be curious to hear if anyone else has observed the same thing with their mares and their foals ...

    True Colours Farm on Facebook

  • #2
    My mare absolutely insists her foals poop in the appropriate spots. Once weaned the boys have reverted to going wherever they feel like but the fillies stay neat and tidy.
    McDowell Racing Stables

    Home Away From Home


    • #3
      I hope so. My mare is neat neat neat. And her filly poops in the same spot as her dam. Peeing is another issue. She perfers to pee on the hay I give her mother to eat.
      Fresh, Frozen & ISO Warmblood Breedings FB Group


      • #4
        My mother-daughter mares are both complete slobs, so maybe. Though they both went to living out 24/7 when my filly was only two weeks old, so there weren't really that many opportunities for stall toiletry lessons.
        "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn’t merely train him to be semi-human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming part dog."
        -Edward Hoagland


        • #5
          So funny you have started a thread on this; I have been tempted to a number of times. Most of the horses I have now are related (by virtue of beginning to breed but not really getting around to selling...)

          Grandma mare (who I did sell) was a very tidy mare. Always pooped in the same spot in her stall. She had two foals for me, a filly and then a colt. Both adopted her tidy habits. The filly had a foal herself last year, he is now a yearling and he has still maintained his tidy ways. Not quite in one spot, like his mother and grandmother, but mostly in one spot.

          Stall cleaning at my farm is much faster now due to this particular dam line trait! Perhaps I should use that as a marketing tool? I think it has value!


          • #6
            My broodmare was very neat and tidy - all poop and pee in the same corner in her stall. Stall cleaning was a breeze once you dug out the pee spot. Her daughter just goes wherever she happens to be standing at the moment . She does manage to keep it away from her feed bin, waterer, and hay spot, though.


            • #7
              That has been the case for me. Also, one of my mares is a hay and grain dunker, and so are all of her foals!
              'Like' my facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Calla...946873?sk=wall


              • #8
                I definitely see the toilet habits of the dam copied (or inbred) with the youngsters.
                My Ester (Eiger / Wenzel) is pretty tidy - and her 2 daughters are the same. It is almost a pleasure to muck their stalls. Espinette (by Espri) is also tidy - and her foals pretty good too. Is it an E-line trait?
                Conversely, my Ditana is a total slob - everywhere, and anywhere - then mix it in. My Brentano mare was the same.
                Makes such a difference in the amount of shavings required.
                Sunny Days Hanoverians


                • #9
                  Maybe it is an E-line trait! I had an Eisenherz mare who was also very neat. My Dutch mare and her Sir Gregory filly are the same, only the filly is even more extreme. While her mother poops in the corner, about a foot from the wall, her filly poops exactly in the corner, all poops touching the wall. I'm pretty amazed at the filly's precision.
                  Kendra -- Runningwater Warmbloods
                  Home of EM Raleska (Rascalino/ Warkant) and Donatella M (Furstenball/ Jazz Time)
                  'Like' us on Facebook


                  • #10
                    Mine this year ruined that theory. One mare is messy and her colt is neater than her and normally goes in 1 spot. The other mare is very neat - her filly is neat but prefers her to be uber neat and go one of the water buckets (which is on the other side of the stall from Mom's spot)
                    Epona Farm
                    Irish Draughts and Irish Draught Sport horses

                    Join us on Facebook


                    • #11
                      my mares definitely teach both their sons and daughters to be neat. And when my stallion was weaned and pastured with my gelding, the gelding also showed the young colt where to go in the field. To this day - when that horse is out in the smaller fields he still goes to that spot to poop. Almost all my mares go at the back wall.

                      I will say though that I think horses get smarter the more you work them and they can also learn from other horses. We had one mare that we bought - never been in a stall and her stall was an absolute mess when we first started stalling her. After about a year she started having the neatest stall. She was stalled beside my gelding - who was fastidious - with a bar wall - so I don't know if she learned on her own or from watching him.


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sunnydays View Post
                        I definitely see the toilet habits of the dam copied (or inbred) with the youngsters.
                        My Ester (Eiger / Wenzel) is pretty tidy - and her 2 daughters are the same. It is almost a pleasure to muck their stalls. Espinette (by Espri) is also tidy - and her foals pretty good too. Is it an E-line trait?
                        Conversely, my Ditana is a total slob - everywhere, and anywhere - then mix it in. My Brentano mare was the same.
                        Makes such a difference in the amount of shavings required.
                        I completely agree AND sometimes the opposite happens too . . . . I own two full daughters from Sunny Days's Brentano mare who was messy . . and BOTH daughters are perfectly neat in the stall - all manure and pee in one spot in the back in a pile and away from hay and water! Love mucking those stalls! Neat in the paddocks as well - all in the corner. . . . . Maybe the dam was so messy, the fillies decided "to heck with this, I'm going to be neat and clean"

                        But my Romanov filly - from a very neat dam and grandam, is a piece of work in the stall. I will give her credit that she tries to be neat and the manure is lined up sort of towards the back with a "mistake" pile here and there, but then she walks through it and makes "soup" . . . The other mares make her be neat in the paddock though The one Sandro Hit x Brentano mare doesn't let anyone poop in the wrong spot!

                        Edited to add: my Escudo II colt is neat in the stall too . . .maybe there is an E-line correlation??


                        • Original Poster

                          All I can think of is that these neat ones would make Felix in "The Odd Couple" so darned proud!!!

                          I think the next slob I get, his barn name is going to be "Oscar" for sure!

                          True Colours Farm on Facebook


                          • #14
                            In my experience, yes, absolutely! Neat mare = neat foal. Messy mare = messy foal. I have one mare who is very particular about only using one side of her stall for the bathroom, and she teaches all her foals the same.
                            Friday's Child Farm


                            • #15
                              My mare Wintermaske always puts manure in one corner, unless she can put it in the next stall by putting it through the bars. Every one of her kids has done the same, including her first foal who was an ET baby that never met her real mama until she was a yearling.

                              Sadly, I also have a piglet of a mare who has passed that along to her kids. That mare has produced some of my most outstanding fillies, so I guess I can overlook the messiness.
                              Mary Lou


                              Member OMGiH I loff my mares clique


                              • #16
                                Not in my experience... I have a mare that is a PIG in her stall and outside too for that matter. Her first "child" was also a PIG (gelding). Her 3 subsequent foals (all by the same stallion and a different stallion that the first kid) are all VERY NEAT. and have been since birth just about.

                                My stallion is pretty neat and HIS kid is pretty neat, although neither dam was tidy. The colt out of my stallion's dam that is 2 this year was avg in neatness and is by the same stallion as the gelding above that is a PIG.

                                The stallions from my neat freaks are all neat freaks themselves and the stallion that is the dad to my pigs is not necessarily neat themselves... I'm going with if it is from any horse, it is the stallion.
                                Emerald Acres standing the ATA, Trakehner Verband, sBs, RPSI, and ISR/OLD NA Approved Stallion, Tatendrang. Visit us at our Facebook Farm Page as well!


                                • #17
                                  I have a neat mare who uses one back corner of her stall to poop and the other side to pee. Her colt followed her example prior to weaning... He now lives outside with the other yearling boys, so it will be interesting to see his stall once he comes back inside this winter.

                                  I'm also interested to see what I am going to get next year as I have bred the same mare to my own stallion who also keeps his stall neat and orderly.
                                  Alison/Mikali Farms


                                  • #18
                                    I thought you meant as in, we will not poop in pee in the paddock in front of God and everybody because if we wait to go in, the slave girl will clean it straight away. I do clean paddocks too and yes I know they go outside, but sheesh, mine come in and go straight for a bit pee and poop. I mean come on. But yes, I do think messy=messy and neat = neat. Or it has gone that way for me. Thank goodness I only have Stella now as she was my only neat mare as are her kids.

                                    COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

                                    "I need your grace to remind me to find my own." Snow Patrol-Chasing Cars. This line reminds me why I have horses.


                                    • #19
                                      Funny thread.

                                      I have a horses who are related who are very tidy.

                                      The ones who are not tidy have lived in large paddocks or pastures so "good housekeeping" didn't matter to them.


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
                                        My mare absolutely insists her foals poop in the appropriate spots. Once weaned the boys have reverted to going wherever they feel like but the fillies stay neat and tidy.
                                        sounds about right