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  • Crash course in feeding WB babies?

    I'll admit that I am ultra super paranoid about this, and figured I'd come to the experts . I've heard the horror stories (re. overfeeding, not a balanced diet, growing too fast, OCD...!!) and now I'm faced with my raising my first WB foal and I'd like very much to do it "perfectly" from the get go.

    Filly is 6 weeks, and has been eating grass and hay for a couple weeks already. She tries to sneak some of the mares grain but doesn't get away with any more than a few small mouthfuls. I'd like to start giving her some of her own grain (milk pellets + [?] ?) as she is a BIG girl, and I don't want her to pull down her dam too much, as she can be a hard-keeper.

    Can I get a beginners crash course about this? Feeding the large WB growing foal/weanling/yearling?

    I have access to Masterfeeds (first choice, dealer is very close) and Buckeye feeds.. if that makes any difference.

    http://www.masterfeeds.com/view.php?...trition/Equine

    Thank you so much in advance!

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    How are her ribs? Keeping them very easily felt is not a bad thing If her ribs are good, then Buckeye Foal Aide would be a great way to get nutrition to support growth, without calories to cause too-fast growth.

    Buckeye does have Foal Starter as the go-between from milk to adult feedstuffs. The feeding instructions are just like that of Progressive's equivalant, but as always, "it depends" whether you can feed the recommended 1lb/100lb. I could not POSSIBLY feed 3lb to my 300lb+ foal right now - he's already growing fast enough. I feed 1lb, and am also using Rejuvenaide liquid for more nutritional support. He's getting enough calories, just not enough nutrition, from milk and grass.
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      Just glancing at the ingredients on the 2 brands, I would go with Buckeye. They use very digestible sources of minerals (proteinate forms) that make the product better IMO. As JB states, if the foal seems an easy keeper, some Foal Aide may be a good idea. I introduce some milk pellets before they are weaned to ease them into eating solids and prepare them so that I don't see a drop off in weight and condition at weaning. Foals do not digest cereals and hay well before they are 4 months old. So, until they are over 4 months, I use either Foal Aide or milk pellets if needed. After 4 months, I introduce Gro N Win and if needed additional calories in the form of either fat or a feed that couples well with GNW. Some prefer a Growth type feed to GNW plus another feed. It really comes down to personal preference. Either will work well.
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      • #4
        I feel your pain Cataluna and am super paranoid too!!!

        My filly is 3 months old and BIG! Started her on Buckeye's Foal Aid paste about 30 days ago. She was not having any problems, just wanted to support her rapid growth.

        Baby nibbles with mom but does not get a set grain ration. Mom eats 9lbs of Omolene 300 (labeled for lactating mares & foals) 3x per day. So, 27lbs of feed per day! The feed seems like a CRAZY amount to me. Mare is a 20 year old, 17.1 hand big boned TB. I also add 4 squirts (sorry, not an actual measurement I know) of canola oil to each feeding. Mare + foal have unlimited access to hay and grass and are both in good condition IMO...not fat but not thin.

        Not to hyjack but, any advice for me? I am not sure how long to continue the Foal Aid paste. I had to order it online. Pretty much only Purina and Nutrena available where I am located.

        Thanks experienced breeders and nutrition experts!!!
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          Originally posted by JenRose View Post
          I feel your pain Cataluna and am super paranoid too!!!

          My filly is 3 months old and BIG! Started her on Buckeye's Foal Aid paste about 30 days ago. She was not having any problems, just wanted to support her rapid growth.

          Baby nibbles with mom but does not get a set grain ration. Mom eats 9lbs of Omolene 300 (labeled for lactating mares & foals) 3x per day. So, 27lbs of feed per day! The feed seems like a CRAZY amount to me. Mare is a 20 year old, 17.1 hand big boned TB. I also add 4 squirts (sorry, not an actual measurement I know) of canola oil to each feeding. Mare + foal have unlimited access to hay and grass and are both in good condition IMO...not fat but not thin.

          Not to hyjack but, any advice for me? I am not sure how long to continue the Foal Aid paste. I had to order it online. Pretty much only Purina and Nutrena available where I am located.

          Thanks experienced breeders and nutrition experts!!!
          You mean you feed your mare 9 pounds of feed at a time? That is way too much. You really should feed more than 5# of concentrate at a time. You should also make sure you space meals at least 4 hours apart, otherwise it gets digested as one meal.
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            Originally posted by Callaway View Post
            You mean you feed your mare 9 pounds of feed at a time? That is way too much. You really should feed more than 5# of concentrate at a time. You should also make sure you space meals at least 4 hours apart, otherwise it gets digested as one meal.
            I do....

            7am, 6pm and 11pm. Work full time so that is really the only way I can split it up. I guess I could decrease concentrate and add more fat???

            1 scoop of the Omolene 300 weighs 3# and she gets 3 scoops per feeding, 3 feedings per day.
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            • #7
              JenRose- You may want to double check the feeding directions! The feed bag (or tag) will tell you how many pounds of feed per hundred pounds of mare- so, for an easy example, if the directions said 2lbs/100, then a 1000 lb mare should receive 20 lbs of grain in a 24 hr period.
              I have never seen one that recommended more than 2lbs/100lbs but they could exist. However, I would write the company and tell them they need to make something more concentrated!
              If you are feeding more than directed, I would be very worried about selenium toxicity, among other things.
              Adding up to 2 cups (per day, not per feeding) of Canola oil or flax oil would be a better and safer way to get momma the calories she needs. (FYI, a "squirt" of oil is usually 1 oz, so if this is true for you, then you are only doing 1/4 cup per feeding- this could be doubled...)
              Personally, I would increase her hay and oil and decrease her grain.

              While you certainly don't want your mare to get underweight, you should consider that horses in the wild naturally gain and lose weight with the seasons- up to 150 lb fluctuations each year. So the yo-yo weight thing must not be as bad for them as for people. Can you feel the mare's ribs? What is her body condition score? It may be that you are overfeeding to maintain an excess? But again, I am NOT suggesting you let your mare deplete her reserves.
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              • #8
                She's not going to be able to usefully digest any more than about 5lbs per feeding so you need to find a feed that can get the calories she needs into her with 15lbs a day if you're limited to three feedings a day. Something higher in fat and more digestible will likely do the trick nicely for you.

                I feed all my mares and foals on Buckeye, most are just on Gro N Win and then if I need extra calories I get it either from Cadence Ultra or Ultimate Finish. I've done this for years and never had an issue.

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                • #9
                  Ditto Galileo (hi gal, long time no read ). I highly recommend the Buckeye's Cadence Ultra for getting lots of cals in a lower volume.
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                  • #10
                    Ditto Trinity, Galileo and Home Again, you may also want to add some alfalfa to your mare's diet.
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                    • #11
                      I've never seen a feeding instruction for 2lb/100lb. Maybe there's one out there? If it's for a horse who can't eat much/any forage, then that amount of feed, if it's a complete feed, isn't out of the question at all.

                      Usually it's in the .5-1lb/100lb.
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                        Thanks for the replies, I'll look into everything suggested .

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