Are there enough dilute WB's in the NA market???

[Nootka]

Oh wow

I hope we can see some video soon He is very handsome

[~Freedom~]

Some day I need to learn something about colour (having owned only mostly plain bays for oh..20 or so years....) so I know what the heck you all are talking about.....

Don't bother. Most of these threads are about some color breeder trying to promote yet again ANOTHER stud (future or present)

The OP asked if we need another colored stallion. Lets put it this way. When I look to breed or make a recommendation to a client I run as fast as I can AWAY from any breeder standing one of these type studs.

I run even faster when I see certain names repeat themselves over and over again on every horse site for if word of mouth has not got them recognized and they feel the need to resort to spam then it assures me they have nothing worthwhile.

[Nootka]

I don't understand why you must "rain" on this thread. I own a horrible Coloured warmblood and you know what???? She is approved for breeding 2 Main Mare books. If she was so bad would she be there??? No

I am sorry that you dont like the colored horses/studs but your snide remarks are not needed. Many of Gwen's horses are successful competing and sell all over the world. Even grand prix dressage rider has bought 7 now over the last years. They are just starting to compete so they promote themselves. The cremello colt Gwen just sold is now in the New Zealand with a Eventer but yet these horses are all crap? No

She doesn't boast about her horses on here. Yes, sometimes her friends do come on and say a word or 2 but it is without her knowing.

[Equilibrium]

I'd like to be another one to congratulate Gwen. She does say very words about her horses on public boards.

Her horses are out starting to do things in the world and I hope they succeed.

She's a lovely person to talk to and quite a great sense of humor. So if you want to talk about the crazy colored people, please leave her out.

Terri

[RiddleMeThis]

I don't understand why you must "rain" on this thread. I own a horrible Coloured warmblood and you know what???? She is approved for breeding 2 Main Mare books. If she was so bad would she be there??? No

I am sorry that you dont like the colored horses/studs but your snide remarks are not needed. Many of Gwen's horses are successful competing and sell all over the world. Even grand prix dressage rider has bought 7 now over the last years. They are just starting to compete so they promote themselves. The cremello colt Gwen just sold is now in the New Zealand with a Eventer but yet these horses are all crap? No

She doesn't boast about her horses on here. Yes, sometimes her friends do come on and say a word or 2 but it is without her knowing.

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Ditto completely unnecessary, and incredible rude.

[~Freedom~]

She's a lovely person to talk to and quite a great sense of humor. So if you want to talk about the crazy colored people, please leave her out.

Terri

My reference is to mainly certain "other" colored breeders. Great if this Gwen is nice but a colored stud is still the very last one I would look at no matter how many approvals they may have.

The thread according to the OP is if NA needs another DD. If you don't like the answers that are not in keeping with "oh yes we do need more DDs" then maybe the OP and others should have stated that only if you agree should you reply. I gave my answer and the reason for that answer and I am unlikely to change that opinion for the replies after my opinion only makes me more certain I have judged right.

What happens at least in my area with some breeders (and not always the color breeders but any stud owners) is that some go so overboard either in pushing color, or must go with my registry, or I have the best imported stallions that it becomes ad overload and they color the perception for those breeders that genuinely have a good stud.

Word of mouth backs up all these breeder's claims and they post appropriately.

[TrueColours]

Geez Louise Freedom, who peed in your corn flakes this morning?!

The OP asked if we need another colored stallion. Lets put it this way. When I look to breed or make a recommendation to a client I run as fast as I can AWAY from any breeder standing one of these type studs.

Well then all I can say is that your clients perhaps need to go to someone with more knowledge and less of a biased bone to pick. I dare say if this colt was good enough for me to consider purchasing, keeping in Europe to go through his approvals there and then import to Canada after he was fully approved AND he was good enough for a member of the New Zealand OLYMPIC level eventing team to end up buying, I dare say he should have been good enough for you to recommend your client, regardless of whatever colour he happened to be.

Shoot me. I happen to like quality horses AND dilute colouring. Same as many of my clients do on a global basis.

This was going to be my first possible foray into standing something OTHER than full TB's with the dilute colouring with a first rate quality colt. And if you go back through this thread to the beginning, never ONCE did I mention Gwen's name. A few people guessed it was her colt, but never once did I say "I am thinking of buying Gwen's colt - what do you think?" I simply wanted to dip my toe into the water and get a feel for what the possible reaction MIGHT be if I decided to go ahead and purchase this colt and then invest a lot of time and money into getting him approved. What would the market then possibly be like for standing him in NA ... No more and no less.

So - continue to make whatever recommendations you want to your "client". Maybe one day they'll wake up and wonder why you badmouthed and/or put down stallions that are now at the top of their game with International calibre riders and you can explain that they were "one of those type of studs" ... ... and the "wrong colour" to boot ...

End Equilibrium - I agree. Gwen IS a lot of fun to talk to on the phone and via email!

We were talking about a stallion that we both know that is quite good looking in his own right but is putting some gawd awfully ugly foals on the ground and we are both scratching our heads and wondering why ...

She came back with this response and Man - it is really true and makes me laugh every time I read it:

yes - in germany we would say "you never know which ancestor leaves the bus at the next station" hence be careful when breeding as it means thinking in generations!

[FriesianX]

Don't bother. Most of these threads are about some color breeder trying to promote yet again ANOTHER stud (future or present)

The OP asked if we need another colored stallion. Lets put it this way. When I look to breed or make a recommendation to a client I run as fast as I can AWAY from any breeder standing one of these type studs.

I run even faster when I see certain names repeat themselves over and over again on every horse site for if word of mouth has not got them recognized and they feel the need to resort to spam then it assures me they have nothing worthwhile.

I'm with some of the others here on the board - saying you turn and run because a horse is "colored" is like saying you turn and run because a horse is Dutch Warmblood. Any such general statement from a horse person makes me want to turn and run from that person. I've seen some nice dilutes and I've seen some nice pintos - both are considered "colored" type horses. I've also seen some poor quality in the same color range. BUT - I can make the same statement about bay stallions or black stallions or chestnut stallions, or about Hannoverians or Oldenburgs, or ...

I think the OP question was an excellent question - and the discussion has been genuine. And I think it would be a similar question if one were to ask are there too many "R" line stallions in the NA Market (or some other line).

And - reality is, many people enjoy color. So if you can stand a stallion who throws a good mind, good movement, good athleticism, good conformation, and also happens to throw fun color - WHY would you turn away from such a stallion?

[RiddleMeThis]

If you don't like the answers that are not in keeping with "oh yes we do need more DDs" then maybe the OP and others should have stated that only if you agree should you reply.

You didnt just say "Yes there are too many dilute warmblood stallions on the market. You insulted everyone who owns a dilute of any sort, and ESPECIALLY stallion owners.

How is me and a few others saying that your post was completely unnecessary because it didnt even deal with the OP and was incredibly rude saying that we just want "yes" answers. If I recall correctly there were a bunch of "no" posts earlier that didnt get a response like this.

And why is that? Because they were not RUDE like you.

And I also agree with FriesanX. Im going to tell my future clients to stay away from chestnuts!! They are all BAD!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH the evil chestnuts!!! Run everyone!!!!

[TrueColours]

Im going to tell my future clients to stay away from chestnuts!! They are all BAD!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH the evil chestnuts!!! Run everyone!!!!

geez RMT, its people like you that perpetuate the "chestnut mares are terrible!" myth and make people run screaming away from them ...

See how it all starts?!

[~Freedom~]

I think the OP question was an excellent question - and the discussion has been genuine. And I think it would be a similar question if one were to ask are there too many "R" line stallions in the NA Market (or some other line).

Oh I am sure the OP thought up a decent enough question and actually there ARE enough "R" line stallions..

[RiddleMeThis]

Oh I am sure the OP thought up a decent enough question and actually there ARE enough "R" line stallions..

Wow amazing how semi decent you can actually be when you try. You couldnt have used that line as your other post? Oh wait you have to be an ass. Sorry I forget that their are some people with no manners.