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Are there enough dilute WB's in the NA market???

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  • #21
    Originally posted by Centerline Farm View Post
    I think that there would indeed be a market...

    as long as the stallion was actually competing successfully in something!!!! (and I don't mean in hand stuff)

    I have to agree with this. The colt is also GOV so I would hope he would go through approvals with this Registry. I am pretty sure who the colt is and to answer your question YES YES YES bring him. Are you going to stand to dilute mares? Please don't say no like all like the others
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    • #22
      Originally posted by mistyjewell View Post

      Isn't Blue Eyed Dream also approved? Or is he in Eurpope? I can't remember.
      He is now in Book I of RPSI and in Fla
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      • #23
        If the stallion is approved with a recognized, reputable association AND continues on showing then yes, there is a market. I think there is no market for one just based on his coat color alone...

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        • #24
          Will you present him to Oldenburg?
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          • #25
            Are there enough bay WBs in the NA market?
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Donella View Post
              Will you present him to Oldenburg?
              I soooo hope she does

              I have to also say that there are only 2 double dilutes that I would breed 2 in NA. The majority of these stallions are trash IMO. No show records no ........anything but babies babies babies. I would love to see a great cremello GOV stallion with a great show record over fences/dressage/eventing.

              The only 2 stallions with WB approval are

              Limit Hurry~~~approved RPSI
              http://www.wolfrunfarm.com/WRF1131.htm

              Blue Eyed Dream~~~~approved RPSI
              http://www.palominowarmbloods.com/blueeyeddream.html

              I really like Mirabeau. He is only in book II in RPSI. Does anyone know why? He seems to doing very well in the jumpers.
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              Approved single dilutes

              Blonder Hans~~~RPSI
              http://www.heavensgatestable.com/N_Stallions.htm

              CA Chablis~~~Oldenburg Stallion ~~~ approved with RPSI. They are not worried about breeding him they are concentrating on his dressage
              http://www.fieldstonefarm.biz/breeding_services.htm

              Who else is there? What about Main Mare Book Mares? Now I am just very curious as to how many approved Stallions/mares there are in the USA/Canada/South America

              sorry not trying to hijack
              Last edited by Nootka; Apr. 23, 2008, 03:06 PM.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by TrueColours View Post
                I dont believe in having single or double dilute stallions just entering the breeding shed without doing something either!
                Evidence would suggest the contrary.

                A brief stint at Training level eventing does not constitute an achievement.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Mozart View Post
                  Some day I need to learn something about colour (having owned only mostly plain bays for oh..20 or so years....) so I know what the heck you all are talking about.....
                  Well Ill try and start you off. A double dilute is a horse that has two copies of the cream gene. When a chestnut based horse has one copy of the cream gene he turns into a palomino, and then when a chestnut based horse gets two copies of the cream gene he is a cremello.

                  When a bay horse has one copy of cream he is a buckskin, and then once he has two copies of cream he is a perlino.

                  When a black horse has one copy of cream they are a smokey black, and once they have two copies of cream they are a smokey cream.

                  Black + one copy = smokey black
                  Black + two copies = smokey cream
                  Bay + one copy = buckskin
                  Bay + two copies = perlino
                  Chestnut + one copy = palomino
                  Chestnut + two copies = cremello

                  Hope that cleared some of it up for you.
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by RiddleMeThis View Post
                    Well Ill try and start you off. A double dilute is a horse that has two copies of the cream gene. When a chestnut based horse has one copy of the cream gene he turns into a palomino, and then when a chestnut based horse gets two copies of the cream gene he is a cremello.

                    When a bay horse has one copy of cream he is a buckskin, and then once he has two copies of cream he is a perlino.

                    When a black horse has one copy of cream they are a smokey black, and once they have two copies of cream they are a smokey cream.

                    Black + one copy = smokey black
                    Black + two copies = smokey cream
                    Bay + one copy = buckskin
                    Bay + two copies = perlino
                    Chestnut + one copy = palomino
                    Chestnut + two copies = cremello

                    Hope that cleared some of it up for you.
                    Why thank you.
                    Since I believe I slept through the Mendelian genetics portion of biology, would I be correct in saying that a double dilute is then far more likely to pass on a cream gene to his offspring?

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                    • #30
                      double dilute is then far more likely to pass on a cream gene to his offspring?
                      Double Dilute will always pass a cream gene to the offspring.

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by spacely View Post
                        Double Dilute will always pass a cream gene to the offspring.
                        Yep. Since every gene comes in pairs of twos a double dilute only has cream to pass on to his offspring.
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                        • #32
                          It may be more financially feasible to leave him IN Europe until he finishes his 2 1/2 Y.o. Licensing... then decide from there what to do next,.,,
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                          • #33
                            Blue Eyed Dream is also approved AWR.

                            Yes - the intention would be to get him approved once he is old enough to do so. I dont believe in having single or double dilute stallions just entering the breeding shed without doing something either!
                            I think if he is a performance horse and is NOT approved by a "reputable" registry, you will get a lot of breedings. As you can see by the postings, you will have to take him around to a lot of registries, paying a lot of fees just to get a breeding or two from each one - part of our broken system. Your Canadian registry is doing very well. I hate to see people saying things like, "And I know that the CSHA approval process might not be as highly regarded as the European registry ones are.." Support your studbook.

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                            • #34
                              For myself, if a stallion is registered Oldenburg and comes from Oldenburg bloodlines (primarily) I am always suspicious when they are only approved RPSI or AWR or something like that.

                              Same for Han.

                              With Dutch I am not so very suspicious, because, honestly, they NEVER (or hardly ever) approve anything that is not born on Dutch soil anyways.

                              But bottom line is that if the parent registry does not think the horse is good enough to be a stallion, then maybe the owner should look at that a little bit.
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                                #35
                                It may be more financially feasible to leave him IN Europe until he finishes his 2 1/2 Y.o. Licensing... then decide from there what to do next,.,,
                                hmmm ... that IS a consideration but I havent bought him yet!

                                Your Canadian registry is doing very well. I hate to see people saying things like, "And I know that the CSHA approval process might not be as highly regarded as the European registry ones are.." Support your studbook.
                                tri - you know something? You are 100% correct. I think we just get so used to hearing it we actually start to believe it ourselves ... thank you

                                For myself, if a stallion is registered Oldenburg and comes from Oldenburg bloodlines (primarily) I am always suspicious when they are only approved RPSI or AWR or something like that.
                                I agree with that as well ...

                                So - along those same lines, my TB cremello stallion is approved CSHA. Would the RPSI approval mean anything "better" as far as approvals go, or does it simply give RPSI mare owners a valid venue specifically for them, to get their foals registered in their registry of choice?

                                Wow. Welcome *new* poster SMMP. What an honor that you chose to make your first post on COTH on *MY* thread. I am so flattered ...

                                I guess if my TB stallion's achievements were good enough to get him accredited with the CSHA and SWANA is now looking to approve him based on those credentials as well for breeding to a Swedish mare, ya know something? Thats good enough for me ... ... and it seems good enough for my clients as well ... From what I can ascertain, that leaves Guaranteed Gold, Blue Eyed Dream and Limit Hurry as the ONLY approved double dilute stallions in North America as well ...
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                                • #36
                                  sigh - let's not go there AGAIN!!!

                                  True Colors - you posted on a public forum a question. People answered. You can cherry pick the answers you choose to respond to but there have been many others. If you DON'T want to hear the answers, then don't post the question.
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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Centerline Farm View Post
                                    For myself, if a stallion is registered Oldenburg and comes from Oldenburg bloodlines (primarily) I am always suspicious when they are only approved RPSI or AWR or something like that.

                                    Same for Han.
                                    The Hanoverians will not approve a dilute or "off" color. RPSI to me is equivalent to Old for the most part you just have to make sure you are not looking at animals in Book II as that is only a "recording" book and a lot of confusion comes from that.

                                    I personally do not know of any approved dilute warmblood stallions for the hunter ring.
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                                    • #38
                                      The problem with a stallion only being canadian warmblood approved for breeding is that there are not a lot of inspections or classes in the US for that breed. If you want to breed soley to a Canadian Market, then that's fine, but if you want to breed to the lower states, you need to have a registry available for them as well to be able to promote them well down here. That isn't to say that there is anything wrong with the Canadian Registry, just that it's not a viable option for a large population of mare owners. If you get him approved RPSI or OLD, it opens the stallion up to breedings from the States AND Europe, as RPSI and Oldenburg are approved registries over there as well.

                                      RPSI is really taking off in this country, and they are really revamping their stallion approval system and bookkeeping, so I wouldn't say that's an inferior registry, especially as their testing is getting more popular etc. Just some things you'd like to think about.

                                      I think keeping him there in Europe could be good too, then you could decide which registry to take him to, as the stallion tests from over there are accepted by multiple regitries, or you'd have to do the 100dt over here for close to that equivilant. I belive if he was approved over in Europe, mareowners could pay an outside stallion fee to breed to him and approve their offspring (provided his pedigree and mares approval in a registry) and get the foal full approved in other registries even if he isn't an active member (I may be incorrect on that though) So I think that could be a good option.
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                                      • #39
                                        As others have said, IF the stallion has what it takes to compete and succeed, and you're prepared to do that with him to prove his value -- bring him! If you're only planning on showing him for a season, then sending him to stud, don't bother.

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by SMMP View Post
                                          Evidence would suggest the contrary.

                                          A brief stint at Training level eventing does not constitute an achievement.

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