• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

lutalyse

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • lutalyse

    Just wondering if people can give some good tips on being successful with Lutalyse for breeding?

    I am hoping to breed my horse in a month. Our weather has generally been cold and crappy still and i've had a hard time pin pointing a cycle. She has had 2 internals and was closed at both. Although the last one she was showing some signs, her cervix was a bit soft and she was winking etc. I have a harder time because she is boarded and the BO doesn't notice, but she is out with all mares too.

    She's successfully been a broodmare and last foal was 2006.

    Anyways, my vet said just to give her the shot and it will work... I've heard other people say you can only give the shot at certain times of it wont work.
    "My ideal horse is the horse that I fall in love with again every morning when I see his face hanging over the stable door, looking for breakfast. " - Jim Wofford

  • #2
    It WILL NOT work if she's already in heat! Your timing will be off. I normally either have an ultrasound done to see where my mares are in their cycle, or do 2 weeks of regumate, followed by lutalyse.

    Good luck!
    Kim
    'Like' my facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Calla...946873?sk=wall

    Comment


    • #3
      The recommendation on here has been (correct me if I'm wrong) that you divide the shot into two days. Giving it as one dose makes for a very drastic reaction in the mare. They sweat and tremble and it will not be pretty. And, yes you have to be past an ovulation. Also call the SO and give them a heads up on your timing.
      Don't let anyone tell you that your ideas or dreams are foolish. There is a millionaire walking around who invented the pool noodle.

      Comment


      • #4
        Prostaglandin will not work if the mare was recently in heat. If given within 5 days after she ovulates it will have no affect; it must be given after that time.
        Already excited about our 2016 foals! Expecting babies by Indoctro, Diamant de Semilly, Zirocco Blue and Calido!
        https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hills...h/112931293227

        Comment


        • #5
          She has to be at least 5 days from ovulation to have it work (so you have an active CL), and she should start to come in to heat within 3-4 days.

          We always give ours on Thursday and check them on Sunday or Monday so we can plan for the week. Then there is less chance of needing semen on the weekend or a Monday, too. We usually end up ordering Wed or Thurs with this method, occasionally Tues or Fri depending if it's a quick or slow mare.

          When you are ready to breed, I would do what Callaway suggested and do at least 10 days of Regumate and then give lutalyse. Start on a Monday and give the lutalyse the next Thursday, then check her Monday morning.
          Signature Sporthorses
          www.signaturesporthorses.com

          Comment


          • #6
            Check out our article "I gave my mare prostaglandin but it didn't work" which should provide the information you are looking for.

            As noted above, you can avoid the unpleasant side-effects in your mare (sweating, cramping etc.) by using 1/10th of the standard dose two days in a row. Presuming all other factors to be in place (see the article) she will return to estrus in the same time frame as she would with a full dose, but without the side-effects.

            Hope this helps.
            Jos Mottershead
            Equine-Reproduction.com LLC
            EquineRepro Informational Group

            Comment


            • #7
              Yes, I wasn't warned about the side effects and thought my mare was dying. It was like an invisible hose was running down from between her ears--she was literally dripping steady streams of sweat. Quite unpleasant. And the vet said it was a micro dose (although only one).

              I was not happy.
              DIY Journey of Remodeling the Farmette: http://weownblackacre.blogspot.com/

              Comment


              • #8
                My vet used something called (I think) estra-mate. Worked perfectly, and there were no side effects. Some mild cramping the next day, but then my mare is known for getting a bit crampy when she comes into season anyways. No sweating or anything. :-)
                The ninja monkeys are plotting my demise as we speak....

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  My vet did tell me she would become colicky so to stick around and walk her. I do have syringes and needles that I could try and devide it up with, of course she gave it to me loaded in a syringe already, I dont really like the idea of that because then it wont be sterile.

                  The SO knows I am planning to short cycle her, we did it this way to hopefully make things easier.
                  "My ideal horse is the horse that I fall in love with again every morning when I see his face hanging over the stable door, looking for breakfast. " - Jim Wofford

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Honestly, my mare reacted so badly I wouldn't have wanted to walk her! I wouldn't have had her cooped in a stall, however, had I known. She was not a happy camper, and I could tell she was cramping like no other. I had her foal in the stall next to her (had them up in the barn to work with the foal) and I just kept her separate until she stopped reacting. Of course, remember, I really didn't know what was going on until I got a hold of a vet. I thought she really could be dying.

                    It only lasted about 15 minutes. 30 minutes later and she was fine. Poor girl.

                    I was very annoyed. At least you are forewarned!
                    DIY Journey of Remodeling the Farmette: http://weownblackacre.blogspot.com/

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I haven't used lutalyse in years. Only Estrumate.

                      Any reason people prefer lutalyse?

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        We only use Estrumate, as well. However, I would guess that most people use Lutalyse b/c that's what they've always done. As well, Lutalyse is labled for use in horses and I don't believe that Estruamte is. Estrumate is also a little bit more expensive.
                        Already excited about our 2016 foals! Expecting babies by Indoctro, Diamant de Semilly, Zirocco Blue and Calido!
                        https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hills...h/112931293227

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          As Hillside observes, Estrumate is not labelled for use in horses (it's a bovine drug) and it is more expensive than other prostaglandins such as Lutalyse.

                          Do not presume that Estrumate will produce no unpleasant side-effects in your mares! Estrumate can and does produce exactly the same side-effects as other prostaglandins - sweating and cramp-like contractions. Remember that Estrumate is used by some post-breeding to cause uterine contractions to assist in uterine clearance. It will not produce side-effects in as high a percentage of mares as other prostaglandins, but it will still have the same effect in some mares.

                          One advantage of Estrumate use is that one can use the same 1/10th dose as with Lutalyse to avoid the unpleasant side-effects, but it is only necessary to give a single treatment, not the two-days-in-a-row required of Lutalyse (cloprostenol - the active ingredient in Estrumate - has a longer half-life than the native prostaglandins). As it is more expensive however, and as the 1/10th Lutalyse dose avoids the side-effects (I have never seen sweating in a mare receiving the 1/10th dose), and as Estrumate use is off-label use of a drug that has an equine parallel (albeit slightly different), I personally don't see a real advantage to using Estrumate for luteolytic purposes in most cases (although with mares that try to kill you when giving an injection, there is a distinct advantage to giving only one jab!! ).

                          Regards to all,
                          Jos Mottershead
                          Equine-Reproduction.com LLC
                          EquineRepro Informational Group

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jos View Post
                            I personally don't see a real advantage to using Estrumate for luteolytic purposes in most cases (although with mares that try to kill you when giving an injection, there is a distinct advantage to giving only one jab!! ).

                            Regards to all,
                            Ah, well, that's a good reason, IMHO! I have one mare that is a 3 person job to give shots to and her half-sister is only marginally better.

                            I've never had a problem with any side effects with Estrumate and it seems to work just fine.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Sorry to resurrect an old thread, however, does anyone know where estrumate or estroplan (same thing; cloprostenol) can be ordered at an online pharmacy if we do not have an active prescription? Our vet has gone on sabattical and can't be reached and as y'all know, this isn't exactly something that can be tabled until he gets back from Chamonix. Ughhh.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                As prostaglandin could potentially be used to cause an elective abortion in a human, I doubt very much that you are going to find any legitimate company in the developed world that is going to market it without a prescription...
                                Jos Mottershead
                                Equine-Reproduction.com LLC
                                EquineRepro Informational Group

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X