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  • Cowboy Joe Pony Broodmare-Update Heartbeat post 31

    I am helping a friend downsize in a major way.
    She has a very well bred Shenandoah pony mare by Cowboy Joe. What do you think as far as marketability as open vs in foal? She has a little age to her, but should still be fine for a few more foals. When my friend bought her off the Farnley Farm(she paid a lot for her) --she was in foal to Prelude and she had a beautiful foal. Given the economy and current market --what do you pony folks think? I can not breed her to my boy--as she throws big & the TB genetics would be too heavy.

    Also--while you are thinking--- what do you think would be a good market plan for a medium pony broodmare-- by Cormac Run? Open vs in foal for optimum marketing?
    Last edited by Windswept Stable; Jun. 20, 2008, 10:22 PM. Reason: update
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    The Cowboy Joe lines should have HUGE marketability to those that know. I have one now, Shenandoah Goodnight, out of Lullaby, a Cowboy Joe mare.

    My mare is 12, and she out of one of his daughters. This mare you're describing should be getting up there to be by Cowboy Joe. Maybe out of a daughter??? How old is the one you are discussing?

    Cormac's Run is also nice, but I think the marketability is all in what you know.
    Last edited by VirginiaBred; Apr. 7, 2008, 03:51 PM.
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    • #3
      I personally would want a broodmare in foal unless she is young or very ridable, you never know when she is going to have her last foal.

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        #4
        Originally posted by VirginiaBred View Post
        The Cowboy Joe lines should have HUGE marketability to those that know. I have one now, Shenandoah Goodnight, out of a Cowboy Joe mare.

        My mare is 12, and she out of one of his daughters. This mare you're describing should be getting up there to be by Cowboy Joe. Maybe out of a daughter??? How old is the one you are discussing?

        Cormac's Run is also nice, but I think the marketability is all in what you know.
        My friend said she thought she was 18. We just pulled her papers.. she is an 86 model-- one would never know.. that puts her at 22. Marketablity at 22?
        She is healthy and a pony and indeed by Cowboy Joe out of Shenandoah Windsong. Very nice breeding. I wish I could breed her to my stallion--I would buy her in a heartbeat.


        Marketablilty in this time of economic depression, bales of hay going for big dollars--right here in farm country in Virgnia, and even bigger dollars elsewhere, fuel costs...
        marketablility even with knowing what one knows--is not as it was last year at this time.

        092556 -- I do agree, and that is probably the option we will take, the down side it-- that when one is trying to downsize--what IF they dont sell in foal---then the person trying to downsize has even MORE to try to downsize. We just need to choose sires carefully and wise.
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        • #5
          I agree to sell her in foal. Probably wise to sell her in foal to a more "popular" stallion BUT even then don't see you getting much more than the stud fee out of her at that age. Maybe finding her a good home is a better option.
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            [quote=Windswept Stable] that puts her at 22. Marketablity at 22?


            No.


            As an aside, I hate to hear of older mares getting moved anyway.

            Windswept, that is one that should go to Foxtrot. Imagine.......
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              #7
              [QUOTE=VirginiaBred;3124549]
              Originally posted by Windswept Stable
              that puts her at 22. Marketablity at 22?


              No.


              As an aside, I hate to hear of older mares getting moved anyway.

              Windswept, that is one that should go to Foxtrot. Imagine.......
              VB --I would have to agree with you 100%. It may happen! He was on the list I spoke of with the owner. Her owner did not realize she was 22 --you know how time just somehow gets away from us. She may just get retired to her owner's meadow.
              But--I do agree--if we can get it done, a Foxy baby would be quite nice.
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              • #8
                Breeding Lullaby

                How was her last foaling? I'd have the vet check her for cysts, etc. and if she is clean you could check with Stouts or R. Taylor to see if they want to buy her or make some sort of arrangement. Since she's been regularly bred and unless someone wants to break and ride her you are short options. The good thing about ponies is that if they are sound they can be useful riders into their 30s...Maybe the Stouts would do a breeding swap with you and you could go ahead and breed her yourself and get your girls to try and break her while she's there...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by IPHF
                  How was her last foaling? I'd have the vet check her for cysts, etc. and if she is clean you could check with Stouts or R. Taylor to see if they want to buy her or make some sort of arrangement. Since she's been regularly bred and unless someone wants to break and ride her you are short options. The good thing about ponies is that if they are sound they can be useful riders into their 30s...Maybe the Stouts would do a breeding swap with you and you could go ahead and breed her yourself and get your girls to try and break her while she's there...
                  The Stouts don't have her, and never did.
                  Last edited by VirginiaBred; Apr. 7, 2008, 03:40 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Hmmm, my Farnley pony is one of 23 out of her dam I don't know about the market for the mare, but if she were mine, I'd be inclined to try for a Foxtrot baby ASAP
                    Y'all ain't right!

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                    • #11
                      Lullaby is a nice mare and well-bred.
                      I don't think you could get a lot for her, but I do think that there is a market for her.
                      She's had some nice foals for Meadow View, right? She's the dam of VBs lovely pony as well.
                      If they don't want her, they may want to try to just place with someone who will give her a lifelong home. It would be sad to see a mare like that shuffled around this late in her life.

                      I've seen some very nice Cormac's Run babies. I would think that you'd want to sell her in foal or at least start advertising her now so that if someone wanted to breed her right away to a stallion of their choice that would still be an option.
                      Last edited by Fenway; Apr. 7, 2008, 03:45 PM. Reason: Didn't answer 2nd question
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                      • #12
                        This makes me so sad, as that is SUCH a nice mare. I hate to see her not have a nice final home.

                        I have another Farnley mare, Farnley Snood (by Farnley Prelude x Farnley Netta) and she is a 1998 mare. She'll never be sold. Her mama is for sale and that bothers the heck out of me..........
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                        • #13
                          Her mother has been for sale for quite a while. It is a shame. If I had a bigger farm and more time...
                          Beth
                          Fenway Farm

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fenway
                            Her mother has been for sale for quite a while. It is a shame. If I had a bigger farm and more time...
                            I even offered to do a lease to buy, several years ago, but that didn't fly. Her age is listed wrong also.........she is older than advertised.
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                            • #15
                              Where is Windswept when an update on that Cowboy Joe mare is needed??????????
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by VirginiaBred View Post
                                I even offered to do a lease to buy, several years ago, but that didn't fly. Her age is listed wrong also.........she is older than advertised.
                                It hasn't been updated in ages. Really, it has been several years. The other mares listed there are much older than it says they are too.


                                Oh Windswept!
                                Beth
                                Fenway Farm

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                                • #17
                                  Fanley Netta

                                  Since this thread has gone off somewhat about me I decided to respond. Sorry about the length... Farnley Netta is mine (Farnly Snoods mother). I posted her for sale three years ago for probably more than she was worth because I really don't care to sell her. I apologize that she has not had her age or add updated (considering she is in foal to Meadowbrook Special Edition this year and not my stallion) as I only offered Netta and Farnley Spinster for sale as I had SO many people wasting my time wanting to free lease my very well bred mares or give me $1,000.00 a year. I talked to R. Taylor about VB's lease offer two years ago and he said that what Netta was priced at with foal by her side and in foal was very reasonable and that anything could happen to a leased mare and said either lease the pony for what I would be willing to part with her for. I have sold everyone one of Netta's babies before they were yearlings and sold them well. The last I sold when the foal was two days old. I am aware that I am lucky to have such exceptional nice older mares and they will probably live and die here (they are Farmley Netta, Spinster, Scarfe and Blue Robyn). I however was hounded for the last 6 months with numerous emails and phone calls regarding Farnley Blue Robyn (Gayfields Vida Blue mare) who is open for the first time ever. Yes she is 20 years old but I had an extremely good offer and a FANTASTIC home so she is sold. I have told him when she can no longer be bred she can be retired here.
                                  When I purchased the mares, I paid a lot of money and they were in deplorable conditions where they were not cared for and ALL of their babies had died due to the lack of attention and care and simple negligence. To even try and slightly imply that Farnley Netta would be better anywhere else is rediculous and shocking. If anyone knows me or my farm or my broodmares they know that there is no more money, time and effort spent anywhere than on my horses. They are impeccably cared for and in perfect shape even for 18+ year olds. If someone comes along and buys Netta for good money that she will have a great home and I am sure of that. If not she will live her life here with her 3/4 sister and best friends that she grew up at Farnley with. I also have plenty of useless, expensive and VERY well loved retired horses out here that cost me a fortune and I wouldn't change it for anything.
                                  Sorry now that I am done venting, I plan to have pics of all my 2008 babies posted soon. We have 3 on the ground and 15 more due!! Netta foaled two weeks ago and the others are still knitting. Also as an aside I will update my broodmare page. As I really have 20 that are for sale, but never listed I will add them and update the others.
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by VirginiaBred View Post
                                    Where is Windswept when an update on that Cowboy Joe mare is needed??????????
                                    What-- What did I do??? Opps..sorry--falling down on the job.. My 7 year old son has discovered Disney's ToonTown online game--so now, I must share some computer time! That and the small issue of having to cook dinner ! I am so over that.

                                    The Cowboy Joe mare.. She is fine..she is grazing at her farm without a care. Well actually, she may have a care or two now--because the ponies just got pulled from the grass and are in the diet lots grazing on hay ... so--Life is not as good as it was last week !! But better safe than sorry. You pony folks know what I mean about lush spring grass and ponies! Her owner is a very kind and nice person and is herself "retiring" from breeding. Thus is some ways, it would be better for the pony to move on to a final retirement home. If the right one doesnt happen, I am sure she has a home right where she is.
                                    I wish I had lots of acres and lots of money to pour into my breeding program. I would for sure grab her in a minute. She would most likely throw too big bred to my boy. Also, in the past 12 months, I have bought 3 AGED broodmares in upgrading my broodmare band. I did not spend a ton on them, but did buy 2 of the 3. The third, instead of buying--I saved her from being put down --because she was in the middle of a founder-- her 3rd or more time with founder.We worked thru that founder last spring &s he is fine now-loving life, pregnant, and relatively sound. Not that any of this applies to the Cowboy Joe mare--but I do feel there is perhaps another good home out there that would love to have her and be willing to spend a little on such a nice well bred mare. She still has too much going for her to be a giveaway at this point.

                                    Anyway-- I must go out of town for a few days next week to watch my daughters compete at NCAA Varsity Equestrian Nationals... out in Waco, Texas. Once I return home--I plan to get moving with getting her examined and if feasible --bred. Her husband has been selected and all will be pleased.
                                    I have already received emails of folks interested in buying her -even open.
                                    I feel like she will be decently marketable. Especially confirmed in foal.

                                    The Cormac mare--the same.. She will most likely be most marketable confirmed in foal.
                                    She has the added bonus in that she is ridable for light stuff ---so again, after my trip--I have my work cut out for me!
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                                    • #19
                                      hey Windswept, don't mean to hi-jack. Just wondering if you got all those pictures I sent?

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Picturesque
                                        To even try and slightly imply that Farnley Netta would be better anywhere else is rediculous and shocking................If not she will live her life here with her 3/4 sister and best friends that she grew up at Farnley with. .
                                        Picturesque, That is grand news that Netta will live with you, and I'm happy to hear she just had yet another foal! Reviewing the posts, I didn't read anywhere on this thread that she would be better elsewhere that just where she is...........with you. Good luck and congratulations again!
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