• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Regu-Mate/Lutalyse Timeframe??

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Regu-Mate/Lutalyse Timeframe??

    I have three mares that I plan to breed this year, all of whom NEVER show a heat cycle! I am scheduled to bring them to the vet's on Monday, May 5, and leave them there for a minimum of one week. She said the best plan of action would be to give Regu-Mate 15 days before the Lutalyse shot, and give the Lutalyse shot on the Friday (2nd) before trailering over on Monday (5th). Another vet told me to give the Regu-Mate 10 days before the Lutalyse shot, and give the Lutalyse on Sunday (4th) before trailering them over on Monday (5th). Two are maiden mares and one has had three foals, so I have NO idea what the maidens are going to do. I'm pretty positive I won't be lucky enough for them to all come into heat at roughly the same time, and I'm already expecting that at least one isn't going to take on the first cycle as that would just be too easy...and breeding is always a gamble! haha I'm just wondering if anyone out there has any suggestions along this line as I'm pretty open to ideas! The reason I want them bred together as I am sending the maidens to a foaling facility three hours away and want to keep the travel/mare care costs as low as possibe (which is also unlikely!). Thanks for any and all advice!

  • #2
    lol... this is vic. i posted the same question! ha ha ha!
    ~***COURAGE IS BEING SCARED TO DEATH BUT SADDLING UP ANYWAY!***~

    Comment


    • #3
      Mares can continue to cycle and ovulate while on Regumate. What is stops is the teasing "behavior".
      http://www.equine-reproduction.com/a...rogestin.shtml

      If they do ovulate while on Regumate, the Lutalyse will not bring them in.
      http://www.equine-reproduction.com/a...aglandin.shtml

      If you really want to shut them down to time the breeding, use P & E
      http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/pe.htm

      Comment


      • #4
        HEY... ON MY POST I HAD PPL TELL ME TO USE P&E TOO. MAYBE THAT'S THE ROUTE TO GO?
        ~***COURAGE IS BEING SCARED TO DEATH BUT SADDLING UP ANYWAY!***~

        Comment

        • Original Poster

          #5
          I'm thinking that may be the way to go since it is a fer shur deal...well, as close to a sure thing as you can get in breeding

          Comment


          • #6
            so how do we get it? lol. is it prescrip or what?
            ~***COURAGE IS BEING SCARED TO DEATH BUT SADDLING UP ANYWAY!***~

            Comment


            • #7
              oh ya... and on my post someone said using that 90% of their mares had a 35mm follicle after 18 days... whatever that means?
              ~***COURAGE IS BEING SCARED TO DEATH BUT SADDLING UP ANYWAY!***~

              Comment


              • #8
                oh ya... and they also said that keeping them on regumate even for the 120 days or so after breeding will more than likely CAUSE problems... hmm....
                ~***COURAGE IS BEING SCARED TO DEATH BUT SADDLING UP ANYWAY!***~

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  It is a prescription med so we just have to call Dr. Ann to get it. That's one thing I'm not sure about...how soon would we start it then? It says you give it for ten days, and on days 9 & 10 you split the Prostaglandin F shot. So when should this be started initially if we were planning to trailer there on Monday at 9 a.m.? If estrus will start typically four days after the last day of P&E and the Prostaglandin shot, should we plan to have the shots end Thursday (1st) before we haul Monday? But then by day 18 it says most mares will have a 35 mm follicle and should ovulate within 36-42 hours after hCG administration, so should I technically end on Tuesday (April 29th) to make sure that they hopefully ovulate during the week so we don't miss semen collection dates...i.e. have them ovulate over the weekend?? Haha Sorry, but I'm confused on when to start and stop

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    i am confused all around!!! lol.
                    ~***COURAGE IS BEING SCARED TO DEATH BUT SADDLING UP ANYWAY!***~

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ashmotter View Post
                      It is a prescription med so we just have to call Dr. Ann to get it. That's one thing I'm not sure about...how soon would we start it then?
                      P&E can be started at any point in the mare's cycle so long as she is cycling and NOT transitional.

                      It says you give it for ten days, and on days 9 & 10 you split the Prostaglandin F shot.
                      You don't "split" the prostaglandin dose, you give 1/10th of the typical dose of prostaglandin (usually 1/10th to 2/10ths of a cc of prostaglandin) on day 9 and again on day 10.

                      So when should this be started initially if we were planning to trailer there on Monday at 9 a.m.? If estrus will start typically four days after the last day of P&E and the Prostaglandin shot, should we plan to have the shots end Thursday (1st) before we haul Monday? But then by day 18 it says most mares will have a 35 mm follicle and should ovulate within 36-42 hours after hCG administration, so should I technically end on Tuesday (April 29th) to make sure that they hopefully ovulate during the week so we don't miss semen collection dates...i.e. have them ovulate over the weekend?? Haha Sorry, but I'm confused on when to start and stop[/QUOTE]

                      You are making this more complicated than it needs to be. If you wish for your mares to be bred on let's say April 21st, you would start your mares on the P&E protocol on April 2nd. Do 10 days of the P&E and on day 9 and 10 give prostaglandin. The mare "should" have a 35 mm follicle on April 20th. Give hCG on the 20th and breed on the 21st! Count backwards from the day you wish to breed to decide when to start the process. It truly is easy!

                      P&E is a prescription drug and as it is not commercially available must be compounded by a compounding pharmacy. BET Pharmacy in Lexington, Kentucky is the pharmacy we prefer to use as they are well versed in the product.

                      Originally posted by Lil' Rosebuds
                      oh ya... and they also said that keeping them on regumate even for the 120 days or so after breeding will more than likely CAUSE problems... hmm....
                      Re-read my post. I dislike being misquoted as it leads to confusion or miscommunication or the spread of misinformation. I did NOT say that it would "more than likely CAUSE problems". What I "did" say is: Why? Unless there is a specific reason for progesterone supplementation, you may actually be CREATING problems that may not be there. Additionally, if the mare develops an infection post breeding, you are actually shutting down the cervix and creating a nice, tight incubator that won't allow the mare to naturally return to estrus to deal with problems. There are just a handful of reasons to place a mare on Regumate post breeding and seeing it as a panacea for non-existent problems is more harmful than beneficial. It is GROSSLY overused.

                      Mares that are low in progesterone are few and far between. In order to determine if a mare is truly low, one must test multiple times a day for multiple days. If a mare has an incompetent cervix, that is one reason that a mare should be kept on Regumate. Or, a mare that is diagnosed with placentitis, the use of Regumate can assist in dealing with the problem. But, many breeders supplement with Regumate as a matter of course. It is now known that by supplementing with Regumate unnecessarily can create the very problem one is attempting to address - low progesterone levels. It creates a negative feedback whereby the mare's body recognizes that it is being supplemented and shuts down or diminishes her own natural production of progesterone.

                      Hope that helps!

                      Kathy St.Martin
                      Equine Reproduction Short Courses
                      http://www.equine-reproduction.com
                      Equine-Reproduction.com Now offering one on one customized training!
                      Leg-Up Equestrian Assistance Program, Inc. A 501(c)(3) non-profit charity

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        my apologies for mis quoting... how would keeping a mare on regumate PREVENT her from losing a foal?
                        ~***COURAGE IS BEING SCARED TO DEATH BUT SADDLING UP ANYWAY!***~

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          this whole breeding thing sounds very complicated... what the heck is hCG?
                          ~***COURAGE IS BEING SCARED TO DEATH BUT SADDLING UP ANYWAY!***~

                          Comment

                          • Original Poster

                            #14
                            Thanks Kathy! I appreciate all the help! I tend to make things more complicated than they are...such a frustrating habit! Haha How you explained it definitely made sense. Again, I appreciate the information

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Kathy's website is a plethora of information :-) I have been a frequent flyer of it lately.
                              Go take a peek :-) Also, their BB is fabulous!
                              "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X